This is the same judge who had a defendant join a Zoom hearing using the name, "Buttfucker 3000". https://www.vice.com/en/article/88ng9g/judge-has-no-patience...
Genuinely, why does it matter? Why should the judge waste any attention on things like that, things that have zero significance to the matter at hand?
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#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you knew you were in trouble at work, would you show up to your disciplinary hearing/meeting/whathaveyou with "Buttfucker 3000" written over your name on your badge in plain sight? The same thing generally applies to the courtroom - it's showing a lack of respect for, and understanding of, the situation one is in. Were a judge to think they may want to give an individual a lenient sentence, they may change their m…
The charge was for drug paraphernalia. There should be no respect at all of a tyrant enforcing such laws.
Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Genuinely, why does it matter? Why should the judge waste any attention on things like that, things that have zero significance to the matter at hand?
Consider that the only power a judge has is to say things, and write things. The legal system only works if enough people respect it and do things just because the judge said to do the thing. Our society only works if the legal system keeps working. Insisting that people respect the court is a large part of why this works. Even if maybe in some particular instance you could get away with not insisting on that, that's…
Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
Genuinely, why does it matter? Why should the judge waste any attention on things like that, things that have zero significance to the matter at hand?
If you knew you were in trouble at work, would you show up to your disciplinary hearing/meeting/whathaveyou with "Buttfucker 3000" written over your name on your badge in plain sight? The same thing generally applies to the courtroom - it's showing a lack of respect for, and understanding of, the situation one is in. Were a judge to think they may want to give an individual a lenient sentence, they may change their m…
> The same thing generally applies to the courtroom - it's showing a lack of respect for, and understanding of, the situation one is in.
Others have said this, but I want to underscore it with different phrasing: you seem to not understand the difference between "fear" and "respect".
> Were a judge to think they may want to give an individual a lenient sentence, they may change their mind were they to find out that that individual is basically saying, "Fuck you and fuck all of this, I don't care."
Justice should not depend on how good you make a judge feel about themselves or how fearful you show yourself to be of the system; justice should look only at the facts of the case and be blind to these unrelated details, no matter how much they make the judge personally feel bad.
I appreciate it isn't like that: justice is not blind, and is in fact horribly unfair. And this means we tend to leave laws on the books that disproportionately affect certain groups of people because we let law enforcement and judgement proceedings favor use "discretion" to "discriminate" (note the relationship between these words).
But that someone knows this to be true and thereby chooses a strategy to play that maximizes their benefit, has nothing to do with "respect": it is out of "fear" of what the system will do to you if you don't put on the outward appearance of "respect", even if--entirely internally--you are feeling nothing but "contempt" (a feeling that I personally couldn't blame anyone for having).
Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
The charge was for drug paraphernalia. There should be no respect at all of a tyrant enforcing such laws.
I don't disagree with you in regards to the need to greatly reform how we handle and prosecute (or don't prosecute) drug-related crimes, but having said that, what is the judge to do? Ignore a law and sentencing guidelines entirely?
Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
The charge was for drug paraphernalia. There should be no respect at all of a tyrant enforcing such laws.
I don't disagree with you in regards to the need to greatly reform how we handle and prosecute (or don't prosecute) drug-related crimes, but having said that, what is the judge to do? Ignore a law and sentencing guidelines entirely?
A nice start would be to recognize having "buttfucker 3000" in your name might simply be an acknowledgement of the unjust law and probably circumstances (found in traffic stop, likely questionable 4A grounds) (although the article states that he stated it was unintentional.) So the easiest thing would have been just to let it slide and continue on like it doesn't exist.
Judge could also instruct jurors on "jury nullification" or make the prosecutor's life hell in other ways if they bring about these cases.
Yes I think there is a moral duty to ignore an unjust law, even if it is illegal to do so.
Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
The charge was for drug paraphernalia. There should be no respect at all of a tyrant enforcing such laws.
I don't disagree with you in regards to the need to greatly reform how we handle and prosecute (or don't prosecute) drug-related crimes, but having said that, what is the judge to do? Ignore a law and sentencing guidelines entirely?
Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Seems that some people just entirely miss that part of their upbringing, and suffer needlessly for it for the rest of their lives. ...and make things worse for the rest of us; but god forbid the state do anything about it with proactive evidence-based early-interventions or treat the perpetrators of crime with compassion and understanding too - otherwise it's called being soft-on-crime or worse: "liberal".
I wouldn't say that only the state is capable of helping. Most organizations that help in these situations currently in the US are private, often faith-based, and non-profit. Also to mention... to challenge preconceptions about who's behind this stuff, the current US president (who many would consider "liberal" or "leftist") made great efforts and progress toward locking up lots of people ("tough on crime"), especial…
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This young man appears to be able to go from 0 to 100 very quickly with little self control. Maybe this is Captain Obvious speaking, but poor impulse control seems like the single common denominator among a whole load of social ills that consistently land people in trouble (legal, financial, social, across lots of spectrums). From crimes of opportunity/passion, to short-tempers and "blowing up" on people in public…
Studies of identical twins with different upbringing has found that outcomes are like 70% genetic and 30% environment. Anecdotally, I grew up an environment with good parents and siblings with different genetic parents. One of us had been in jail and juvy several times by age 18 due in part to impulse-control related problems. Today a diagnosis of significant ADHD might have been given. Then it was not as well unders…
The hyperactivity component of ADHD is often expressed as impulsivity, so that fits.
Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness
#110I have seen this video before this HN post. There is a follow up video depicting our antagonist from a jail. He loses his temper and is put on mute. You can see from his body language how distressed he is. It disturbed me greatly. This young man appears to be able to go from 0 to 100 very quickly with little self control. I can only imagine the kind of environment that helps create a person like that… It is so sad.