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Wait, which country isn't treating the recovered like the vaccinated? I thought it's standard, at least in Europe.
I know for my flight from the US to Europe, I need proof of vaccination. Proof "of immunity" is not sufficient.
https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-re...
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The AP pegs the average mortality rate at 1.8% for COVID-19, or 1 out of 55 cases.[1] The CDC says the mortality rate for vaccination is 0.0019%, which my imperfect math says is about 1 out of 53,000 vaccinations.[2] These statistics indicate natural immunity on average exposes the person to roughly 1,000x data-derived historical risk of death on average, when compared to vaccination, so I'm not sure what is the sour…
I don't know where the AP is getting their numbers but the CDC estimated an average mortality rate of 0.6% for Americans. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd... Most other countries have had lower mortality rates because the average American is older, and has more co-morbid conditions such as obesity. For vaccinated patients the mortality rate is close to zero.
Edit: It seems like CDC is inflating their infection rates compared to almost every other source. According to this[1] they also are more in-line with John Hopkins infection rates.
To note, mortality is rather similar in all sources I can find, but only CDC says 120 million were infected.
[0] https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality [1] https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid?country=~USA
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Because the vaccine is a risk factor on its own as well. Do you not agree with that?
The vaccine risk is strictly a subset of the viral risk. Getting the virus entails getting a lot more of the spike mRNA pumping out a lot more spike protein along with all the rest of the viral machinery and real infectious virions, infecting more cells than just in the muscle of your arm, attacking your heart, lungs, kidneys, etc. Getting the virus is always going to be worse, for everyone, than getting the vaccine.…
There are differences, and s-protein expression may trigger mild autoimmune disorders.
That's good news for people who have already recovered from Covid. We should definitely take that into account for policies around opening up again, i.e. by treating recovered people like vaccinated people. Beside that it is of little use, is it? "Get Covid to be better protected from Covid" doesn't make a lot of sense to me, at least.
Wait, which country isn't treating the recovered like the vaccinated? I thought it's standard, at least in Europe.
So if you want to travel right now freely you need to be double dosed unless you have recovered recently.
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I don't know where the AP is getting their numbers but the CDC estimated an average mortality rate of 0.6% for Americans. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd... Most other countries have had lower mortality rates because the average American is older, and has more co-morbid conditions such as obesity. For vaccinated patients the mortality rate is close to zero.
Maybe from John Hopkins[1]? According to them, U.S. had fatality rate of 1.6%, albeit they use confirmed infections of 38.7 million vs. CDC estimates of 120 million. Edit: It seems like CDC is inflating their infection rates compared to almost every other source. According to this[1] they also are more in-line with John Hopkins infection rates. To note, mortality is rather similar in all sources I can find, but only…
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Right, but those deaths were in an environment when there were interventions to protect people. Take away those interventions and you have more deaths.
Many children already get vaccinated for the Flu, so there were interventions to protect people then too.
I want to ask about source material for a minute. What is ThinkCivics? Why is it reasonable second-hand source for analysis of a non-peer reviewed article? Does it have editorial biases? I am asking sincerely. It is a new site to me, and I don't know if it is a trustworthy source of information. The site is also unresponsive at the time I'm writing this.
The text is copied from a website called "The Federalist": https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Federalist_(website)
Some of the numbers in the tables seem strange to me. Looking at the participants, it is hard to understand how the mean and sd of the ages and age distributions can be exactly the same. Moreover, apparently the odds of being hospitalized are 160-times greater for vaccinated vs unvaccinated second infection individuals. Perhaps the dramatic differences are due to very low numbers - I did not see the raw numbers for s…
It's a matched cohort study. They're starting with a large population in both of their target groups, and then picking pairs of demographically identical people (e.g. age, sex, location), one from each group, for the study. So you'd certainly expect the age distributions to match up exactly. It'd be more worrying if criteria they weren't doing the matching by also were exactly identical. That's not the case, all kind…
Natural immunity comes with a 10--25x greater risk of death, possibly much higher (see update) by COVID itself . (The risk from the vaccine, without a Covid infection, is effectively nil based on hundreds of millions of doses administered.) Natural immunity comes with a ~9x greater risk of hospitalisation, again from Covid itself. There's effectively no risk from the vaccine, again with hundreds of millions of doses…