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Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Possibly, though how often has a routine flu strain become a pandemic that overwhelms hospitals?

agreed in the early days, and i'm not scientician, but my understand was that once you've had it you become increasingly immune (or unlikely to require hospitalization). I was more thinking about the future, than the immediate response. Seems like someday Corona virus will be something we just get like a cold or chicken pox?

There is a chicken pox vaccine. It reduces risk of shingles later in life compared with natural infection. My parents intentionally infected me early. I still got the pox a second time as an adolescent. Both times were painful.

Please get your kids vaccinated.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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> "even if the vaccine has terrible side effects, we will take care of you as well as we can and as well as you could wish, even if the side effects are exctremely rare" I don’t think this will work, because if it did then people would be taking the vaccine right now . The issue is multi-faceted of course, but the discussion of “extremely rare events” is a red herring and a wink wink to vaccine skepticism. It’s like…

I think the problem is that 1) we don't know the long-term effects 2) There is no FDA approval (although there is now!) and 3) There is no recompense for people hurt by the vaccine - even if that number is 0. 2 & 3 are easily fixable and we should do it now. We don't have hold pharma liable, but we can setup funds for people with side-effects. 1 is an argument from ignorance. There is no long-term data so we can't re…

> There is no FDA approval

Yet you still have to sign a liability waiver........

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Did she take Ivermectin & HCQ? Did she test for Vit D? Or is she unhealthy, and simply contrarian? At least she will be immune once she gets over it. I doubled my Vit D and my doc prescribed Ivermectin lest I risk getting sick. Still no vax for me (philosophical reasons).

You're part of the problem then.

When covid becomes endemic, (and it will) will you still feel that way?

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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> There's good reason to suspect that long-term COVID will be on the order of influenza or the common cold -- common and mild for most patients. In slovenia, by some estimates of our expert group, half the country got infected by covid (~1mio), 4450 died, almost half of them in old age/nursing homes, and out of all that, only 4 were under 35yo, only one (out of those 5) under 25, and we count every death within 28day…

This is why I'm unvaccinated... low risk

This seems like first order thinking. What about the repercussions of the infection? Mutations? And what is the tradeoff with the vaccine? Is the vaccine "higher risk" with all of the other second order questions taken into account?

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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>Or what about the fact we are 2 years into this and we still haven't built a significant amount of hospitals? I don't think 2 years is enough to just "build new hostipal", let alone staff them, supply them to hospital standards, and start taking business. It's not land that's short, it's talent.

> I don't think 2 years is enough to just "build new hostipal", let alone staff them It totally is enough time to build one. Staffing is more problematic, but if it was a state-run hospital you could've converted a lot of national guardsmen into nurses in the meanwhile. You don't need a lot of talent to handle most Covid cases, just people able to follow the protocol.

Maybe it depends on the area. I know California has famously strict building codes, so I'd be impressed to see a hospital made up to code in 2 years (unless the government threw the entire checkbook at it of course.)

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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post #649

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> Turning vaccines into a political wedge issue is one of the stupidest things I've seen in my life. Something tells me that this is just history repeating. The difference here is the same as your metaphor; the world is a village and now its much easier to see that one conspiracy nut every village has that gets outcasted. The problem of course is that now those nuts can band together in the thousands thanks to worldw…

Yes, calling people nuts is a sure fire way to solve this problem. The “nuts” were also saying covid was coming and was dangerous and were called crazy xenophobes. I’m vehemently pro-vax but there are as many idiots on both sides of this issue as there are non-idiots. Note that I need to disclose that, since the scarlet letter being handed out now has the power to prevent you from being on YouTube and in some places…

>calling people nuts is a sure fire way to solve this problem

I tried to emphasize that this is a very small slice of the population. They get kicked out of the village because there's no other way to solve the problem. Or at the very least, the village lacks the resources and talent to solve it. Human psychology is still a huge mystery. Ideally, everyone gets free, assessible mental health care, but ideally people would also wear a mask so they don't die/have others die. We're far from Paradise.

>I’m vehemently pro-vax but there are as many idiots on both sides of this issue as there are non-idiots.

I fully agree with this, and I much too often see people trying to cast this as a "all conservatives are antivaxx" issue, which is such a broad stroke that you may as well just say "anyone who doesn't agree with all my world views".

That is not who I mean when I say "nuts". Not the people genuinely misinformed (often by nuts), not the people who may have reasonable hesitations or doubts about certification of a new medical product. And certainly not "people who aren't my political party" (yes, everything is Red's fault. How productive). To be honest, not even the people high up who KNOW they are spouting BS or citizens who know the dangers but "want freedom" (they aren't crazy, that's just malicious and greedy at that point. different topic altogether).

But there are just some few people who genuinely seem unhinged and just want to latch onto something that feels relatable, even at the own health's expense. Those are the nuts gathering together. And this is far from the first time. Just the most potentially impactful.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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I think it would be useful for you to go through the employment by occupation percentages [1] to get an idea of the percentage of jobs that would be eradicated with sustained full lockdown, for those that can't work from home. 1. https://www.bls.gov/emp/tables/emp-by-detailed-occupation.ht...

How long would a full lockdown take? (a real one, not a mockdown) The experience in Wuhan shows that 76 days would be enough to eradicate the virus from a massive outbreak. So the loss would be way less than 20% of the GDP (since essential economic activities would still be going on [1], and there would be people being able to work from home. Government could still use financial instrument/regulation to alleviate the…

> To give some perspectives on the GDP contributed by different sectors

This is not the correct measurement of loss, since it's only first order. Second order includes the industries involved in the entire supply chain for each, the shortages that would be created, and spending for a significant portion of the population going to zero (or, with previous government assistance, not nearly enough).

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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> Turning vaccines into a political wedge issue is one of the stupidest things I've seen in my life. Something tells me that this is just history repeating. The difference here is the same as your metaphor; the world is a village and now its much easier to see that one conspiracy nut every village has that gets outcasted. The problem of course is that now those nuts can band together in the thousands thanks to worldw…

The SARS-CoV-2 vaccines are a "political wedge issue" not because of the "conspiracy nut in every village", but because the scientific literacy of the general public is astonishingly low, and the second and third order consequences of public health policy are tremendously complex. We must encourage discussions that move beyond overly-simplistic dualistic framing such as "vax versus anti-vax", "individual choice versu…

> The SARS-CoV-2 vaccines are a "political wedge issue" not because of the "conspiracy nut in every village", but because the scientific literacy of the general public is astonishingly low, and the second and third order consequences of public health policy are tremendously complex.

This seems disingenuous. We eradicated smallpox and scientific literacy just as low then. Why is it different this time?

Because public trust in institutions has been destroyed. It's also a main reason why Trump was elected. The people in charge of these institutions destroyed this trust over decades, and they have continued to do so throughout the pandemic.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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I appreciate you sugar-coating it since I live there, but it's a bit worse than that. I live in Jacksonville. Of my friends, family and other connections there are just a few buckets people fall into: the informed, the purposefully-ignorant, and the idiots. Sadly, we've learned through the last year or so that many of our friends are actually idiots. That's been tough.

>that many of our friends are actually idiots. You think they're idiots, and they probably think you're a totalitarian coward.

I’m not sure I deserve the personal attack. I’m also not sure how else to describe folks who get the majority of their “news” from Facebook.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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"The transition to endemic COVID-19 is also a psychological one. When everyone has some immunity, a COVID-19 diagnosis becomes as routine as diagnosis of strep or flu—not good news, but not a reason for particular fear or worry or embarrassment either. That means unlearning a year of messaging that said COVID-19 was not just a flu. If the confusion around the CDC dropping mask recommendations for the vaccinated earli…

The one thing that still bothers me is that we don't yet know how quickly this coronavirus evolves, and from what we know it very likely escaped from a gain-of-function laboratory that specializes in quickly mutating viruses. I didn't see Delta coming. I want to believe that this is the worst of it. But this coronavirus has so far kept us on our toes so it may well have a few more surprises in store

Keep going down the rabbit hole, you'll eventually find that the variants are being caused by the vaccines.
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