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Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by scotty79 »

ssl232 wrote: post #908
junon wrote: post #900

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You're part of the problem then.

I'd wager the problem with ivermectin and other treatments is that Trump mentioned them. I can't stand the guy, but I also can't stand the Sith attitude that you either take a stand 100% against anything he says or 100% in favour. Unfortunately for those in the first camp, there are peer reviewed studies showing promise for some repurposed medicines. Ivermectin for example has been shown to be helpful both as a proph…

The trouble with ivermectin is that it doesn't do anything for covid what was indicated in multiple studies.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by navjack27 »

rossdavidh wrote: post #416
thingification wrote: post #389

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Long COVID exists. Personally, it's always worried me more than the risk of death from COVID. I think people who haven't had a chronic condition (including doctors) tend to underestimate the impact they can have on your life. Long COVID symptoms may not be "severe" or "serious" in a medical coding dictionary, but those terms in a medical dictionary are quite distinct from their everyday meanings. The best evidence we…

Yes, but, the reality is that everyone is going to get exposed to this virus eventually. Probably not that long from now, if you haven't yet. Pretending that evading it forever is possible, is not helping people to make wise decisions; I think many of the unvaccinated currently believe they can evade both the virus and the vaccine (they are incorrect). Eventually, long covid or not, we are all getting exposed. We sho…

I find it completely hard to believe with the way that I live my life that I am eventually in quotes going to get covid. I would have to go out of my way and inconvenience myself in some unfathomable change of daily routine and life for me to get covid eventually. So have fun making generalizations

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by navjack27 »

yourapostasy wrote: post #576
thingification wrote: post #389

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Long COVID exists. Personally, it's always worried me more than the risk of death from COVID. I think people who haven't had a chronic condition (including doctors) tend to underestimate the impact they can have on your life. Long COVID symptoms may not be "severe" or "serious" in a medical coding dictionary, but those terms in a medical dictionary are quite distinct from their everyday meanings. The best evidence we…

As someone in a cognitive-dominant industry on an industry board, I'm baffled why more people aren't discussing long COVID-caused brain fog here. The chances of getting long COVID once infected are better than 1 in 3,000, the odds of a US residential structure fire, an insurable event. If you live in the US, then unless you have established gold-plated short- and long-term disability insurance, then long COVID-caused…

This is all I've been trying to reply to people about in this. I'm already disabled I already collect SSI I'm already basically agoraphobic and if I somehow magically get covid even though I don't put myself at risk I'm just going to be even more disabled just the odds are not in my favor for this at all and it's not my doing or my fault. But everyone here seems to just be ignoring this and I don't understand it I don't think all of the nerds on this website are actually as smart as they say they are and I think they're just good at rote memorization and repetition

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by navjack27 »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #651
yourapostasy wrote: post #576

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As someone in a cognitive-dominant industry on an industry board, I'm baffled why more people aren't discussing long COVID-caused brain fog here. The chances of getting long COVID once infected are better than 1 in 3,000, the odds of a US residential structure fire, an insurable event. If you live in the US, then unless you have established gold-plated short- and long-term disability insurance, then long COVID-caused…

People just aren't generally interested in small but severe risks like that. I've seen about as much long Covid discussion as I see carpal tunnel discussion.

Bunch of nerd programmers don't want to face reality is what that is. They want to be concerned about their kids that they can't take care of during the day because the place that they work for isn't doing remote anymore so they have to go into work or they need the kids to go to school because they can't pay attention because they are remoting. So you have that weirdness going on. So obviously the kids can't wear masks because that's just more hassle for them because they need to sit at home and they need to work and that's not their fault that they need to work it's just because we don't have basic income because no one wants basic income because everyone wants to justify themselves as needing to be productive and needing to be paid and needing to be worth something. I'm just going to go off a hacker news I'm sorry that I'm I've just been reading this whole entire thread all morning since like 7:00 a.m. EST

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by listless »

anonymouswacker wrote: post #890
listless wrote: post #874

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“Turning vaccines into a political wedge issue is one of the stupidest things I've seen in my life.” It’s truly maddening. My wife (very on the right) refused to get it and instead talked endlessly about hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, vitamin D. All of which she got from conservative media. Right now she is lying in bed wracked with COVID. Ate up with fever and a cough that sends jolts of panic through me when i hea…

Did she take Ivermectin & HCQ? Did she test for Vit D? Or is she unhealthy, and simply contrarian? At least she will be immune once she gets over it. I doubled my Vit D and my doc prescribed Ivermectin lest I risk getting sick. Still no vax for me (philosophical reasons).

I want to reply to this because I want you to know that I hear your views and I understand them. She is very healthy, 40 years old, good Vitamin D levels (she checked them often). She took HCQ for a while, but then stopped.

I also would hug you if I could because I've seen first-hand what's coming your way if you don't get vaccinated. This is so contagious; it's going to get to everyone. You probably won't die, but you are going to be sick in an extreme that is hard to describe. I don't want you to go through this. God bless you my friend.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by scotty79 »

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.10.21261846v...

It's a pre-print of a study that indicates that children born during the pandemic, but not (even immediately) before, have significant cognitive deficites.

Authors attribute it to lockdowns (although they ruled out maternal stress) because pregnant mothers and newborns didn't have a postive test result or symptoms. But that might be because they were not tested at all (researchers didn't track them down to check for antibodies) and had asymptomatic infection. There's also an interesting correlation that poorer children had higher likelyhood of deficits, which might also indicate that deficits are possibly due to covid, because poorer people were more likely to get infected during the pandemic.

So this research might hint that newborns (but not few months olds) are vulnerable to covid and the result is cognitive deficit.

Which might mean that in 20 years we will have a crime wave similar than the one explained by lead hypothesis, that will last for as long as we don't feel like vaccinating newborns against covid.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by listless »

irrational wrote: post #886
listless wrote: post #874

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Turning vaccines into a political wedge issue is one of the stupidest things I've seen in my life.” It’s truly maddening. My wife (very on the right) refused to get it and instead talked endlessly about hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, vitamin D. All of which she got from conservative media. Right now she is lying in bed wracked with COVID. Ate up with fever and a cough that sends jolts of panic through me when i hea…

Has actually getting Covid changed her mind at all?

She has changed her mind. But she will not get the vaccine after this because she will have natural immunity (her view).

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by listless »

ericmay wrote: post #930
2ion wrote: post #925

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What people with this mindset need to hear is "even if the vaccine has terrible side effects, we will take care of you as well as we can and as well as you could wish, even if the side effects are exctremely rare". In my country at least, if you get any of those vaccines and get Capillary leak syndrome as in some cases, a thrombosis that leaves you mentally incapitated as in some cases, a retinal detachment issue tha…

> "even if the vaccine has terrible side effects, we will take care of you as well as we can and as well as you could wish, even if the side effects are exctremely rare" I don’t think this will work, because if it did then people would be taking the vaccine right now . The issue is multi-faceted of course, but the discussion of “extremely rare events” is a red herring and a wink wink to vaccine skepticism. It’s like…

I think the problem is that 1) we don't know the long-term effects 2) There is no FDA approval (although there is now!) and 3) There is no recompense for people hurt by the vaccine - even if that number is 0.

2 & 3 are easily fixable and we should do it now. We don't have hold pharma liable, but we can setup funds for people with side-effects.

1 is an argument from ignorance. There is no long-term data so we can't refute it. It's literally an unfalsifiable premise. I don't know how you fix this one.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by Scoundreller »

sleavey wrote: post #913
Scoundreller wrote: post #861

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> Today, thanks to air travel, the world is a village. Wuhan is exposed one week, and the world the next. I'm really hoping we can reduce the intermixing by some degree by banning lineups at airports security screen and customs/immigration lines, but I'm not holding my breath.

Except 15 minutes before/after those lineups everyone was/is crammed together in the legally allowed minimum space on board the plane?

The people on the same plane are going to/coming from the same place and at least direction. Not so in the completely mixed lineups.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by exDM69 »

ssl232 wrote: post #908
junon wrote: post #900

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're part of the problem then.

I'd wager the problem with ivermectin and other treatments is that Trump mentioned them. I can't stand the guy, but I also can't stand the Sith attitude that you either take a stand 100% against anything he says or 100% in favour. Unfortunately for those in the first camp, there are peer reviewed studies showing promise for some repurposed medicines. Ivermectin for example has been shown to be helpful both as a proph…

Regarding your source [1], is this the disputed meta-analysis paper that got withdrawn? Or is it another one?

It's difficult to stay on top of things as the scientific process is a poor fit for fast moving things. Pre-prints vs. peer review and so on?

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