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Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by bmeski »

CuriousCosmic wrote: post #745
xadhominemx wrote: post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vaccine refusal has not become a major partisan political issue in any other country. It happened here because of the shameless cynicism of the Republican Party and aligned media apparatus.

Vaccine refusal has gotten pretty close in Japan. The LDP has been capitalising on this to justify their incredibly poor COVID response and their "nothing could be done and nothing can be done" mentality.

Honestly, they might be the most realistic about this whole thing. You can’t stop a tsunami.

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Post by ntSean »

listless wrote: post #874
beloch wrote: post #489

"The transition to endemic COVID-19 is also a psychological one. When everyone has some immunity, a COVID-19 diagnosis becomes as routine as diagnosis of strep or flu—not good news, but not a reason for particular fear or worry or embarrassment either. That means unlearning a year of messaging that said COVID-19 was not just a flu. If the confusion around the CDC dropping mask recommendations for the vaccinated earli…

“Turning vaccines into a political wedge issue is one of the stupidest things I've seen in my life.” It’s truly maddening. My wife (very on the right) refused to get it and instead talked endlessly about hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, vitamin D. All of which she got from conservative media. Right now she is lying in bed wracked with COVID. Ate up with fever and a cough that sends jolts of panic through me when i hea…

Don't be sorry. I wish you all the best and for her recovery.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by andy_ppp »

Maybe it would be good to follow up the vaccine with a dose of COVID-19 a few weeks later. I’d say then there’s very little need for boosters and you’ll get a much more full spectrum immune response…

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by nearbuy »

q1w2 wrote: post #288
erhk wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is mostly irrelevant from my understanding. Of the few diseases that humanity has eradicated, one is found in wild animals. Animal resevoirs are simply not the problem.

Airborne diseases with wild animal reservoirs cannot be eradicated, and never have been. It's unclear why you think a wild reservoir isn't a problem, nor which eradicated disease you're referring to.

> Airborne diseases with wild animal reservoirs cannot be eradicated, and never have been.

Only two diseases have been eradicated: smallpox and rinderpest (a viral disease that infects cattle and various wild animals). The latter had both airborne transmission and wild animal reservoirs.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by klipt »

dunco wrote: post #833
trompetenaccoun wrote: post #753

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As others have pointed out they're able to totally control their border and quarantine every single arrival. But more importantly, how will it end for them? Australia and New Zealand are among the worst corona zealot nations. New Zealand just shut down everything over a single case and the PM told people to not even talk to each other anymore. How will they get out of this? If they looked at the facts they'd understa…

you misunderstand the zero covid strategy. The endgame is not zero covid forever. The endgame is zero-covid until we get as many people vaccinated as possible. This is the best result that can be achieved. less deaths, AND less economic disruption. "They might as well do it now" is misguided. Would you prefer to release a virus into an unvaccinated or fully vaccinated population?

At this point, in the US any adult who wants to be vaccinated, is. But we still have to mask up due to Delta getting past the vaccines, and children not being vaccinated.

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Post by irrational »

listless wrote: post #874
beloch wrote: post #489

"The transition to endemic COVID-19 is also a psychological one. When everyone has some immunity, a COVID-19 diagnosis becomes as routine as diagnosis of strep or flu—not good news, but not a reason for particular fear or worry or embarrassment either. That means unlearning a year of messaging that said COVID-19 was not just a flu. If the confusion around the CDC dropping mask recommendations for the vaccinated earli…

“Turning vaccines into a political wedge issue is one of the stupidest things I've seen in my life.” It’s truly maddening. My wife (very on the right) refused to get it and instead talked endlessly about hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, vitamin D. All of which she got from conservative media. Right now she is lying in bed wracked with COVID. Ate up with fever and a cough that sends jolts of panic through me when i hea…

Has actually getting Covid changed her mind at all?

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Post by amerkhalid »

mike00632 wrote: post #656
nerdponx wrote: post #609

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they burned huge amounts of their social trust capital in doing so, because they didn't just say "there are shortages, please stop hoarding masks", they outright lied about the efficacy of masks and perpetuated the lie for months. If people have no idea what to believe, it's because the government led a catastrophically inept response.

No. The CDC said AT THE TIME that they didn't recommend everyone wearing masks because hospitals were facing shortages. They have always been open about their reasoning and data. Quit repeating this terrible lie.

Here[1] is Dr. Fauci talking about how masks are mostly ineffective. Only at the end of the video, he agrees with the host that if everyone wears masks, it can lead to shortages for healthcare workers.

1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRa6t_e7dgI

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Post by gonational »

The coronavirus will never end until people turn off their TV and MSM in general and start looking elsewhere for information.

First, the elephant in the room... Ivermectin. Ivermectin, which has been on the market globally for like half a century, is 86% effective as a prophylactic against COVID-19 (aka a better vaccine than the "vaccines" themselves), is 72% effective in early treatment, and is 40% effective in late treatment[1]. Side effects most experience? Kills parasites, including scabies, and reduces systemic inflammation, including TNF. Because of the fear and hype surrounding COVID-19, there are thousands of folks out there who have been taking what is generally considered to be an annual dose... every week... for almost a year. I mean, we can basically just stop right there; right? We've got a safe and effective drug that reduces the risk of serious illness and death to almost zero, collectively demonstrated by the studies in the first reference (bottom). For real, just stop and consider this, and then consider whether it's even worth considering ANY other information. There is a literal cure that is also a prophylactic, and which is completely safe. What else can be said?

But, I'll continue. So then, in the US, we've got recommendations, from the world's preeminent purveyor of disease information, to wear paper masks OUTSIDE IN THE SUN, masks that are known to cause cancer, and which reduce oxygen[2] and increase resting heart rate, and which are about as effective as using a chain link fence to stop mosquitoes (less, even).

Then, the mRNA "vaccines", which are an experimental form of gene therapy, with less than 1 year's worth of data. A normal vaccine would undergo about 12x the study duration, and that's when we're using existing and proven technology; but for some reason, we're ok with 1/12 of the study period for a "vaccine" that is of an entirely new category.

Then, we trap people in their houses, where disease is shown to thrive, without sunlight and without exercise.

The only way this ever ends is for a majority of people to turn their TVs off for good, and to start using common sense.

Disclaimer: I am not a doctor and none of this is medical advice.

1. https://c19ivermectin.com/#prep

2. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9610792/ OR (bacterial disease enhancement) https://cancerdiscovery.aacrjournals.org/content/11/2/293

3. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18500410/

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Post by logicchains »

twodave wrote: post #819
burlesona wrote: post #737

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know if that’s true. Case in point, the reason that Florida is drowning in COVID right now is that the majority of people there don’t think it’s a big deal. It’s the same thing and many other parts of the country. There are still a lot of people who are freaked out, but most ordinary people are starting to tune out the news and lose interest because the media calls to be scared and panic just make them numb e…

I appreciate you sugar-coating it since I live there, but it's a bit worse than that. I live in Jacksonville. Of my friends, family and other connections there are just a few buckets people fall into: the informed, the purposefully-ignorant, and the idiots. Sadly, we've learned through the last year or so that many of our friends are actually idiots. That's been tough.

>that many of our friends are actually idiots.

You think they're idiots, and they probably think you're a totalitarian coward.

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Post by anonymouswacker »

listless wrote: post #874
beloch wrote: post #489

"The transition to endemic COVID-19 is also a psychological one. When everyone has some immunity, a COVID-19 diagnosis becomes as routine as diagnosis of strep or flu—not good news, but not a reason for particular fear or worry or embarrassment either. That means unlearning a year of messaging that said COVID-19 was not just a flu. If the confusion around the CDC dropping mask recommendations for the vaccinated earli…

“Turning vaccines into a political wedge issue is one of the stupidest things I've seen in my life.” It’s truly maddening. My wife (very on the right) refused to get it and instead talked endlessly about hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, vitamin D. All of which she got from conservative media. Right now she is lying in bed wracked with COVID. Ate up with fever and a cough that sends jolts of panic through me when i hea…

Did she take Ivermectin & HCQ? Did she test for Vit D? Or is she unhealthy, and simply contrarian? At least she will be immune once she gets over it. I doubled my Vit D and my doc prescribed Ivermectin lest I risk getting sick. Still no vax for me (philosophical reasons).
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