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Post by qot »

azinman2 wrote: post #246
brokenmachine wrote: post #244

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>Even the current CSAM implementation is actually all about privacy if you read the details on how it’s implemented. Lol, no.

Read this: https://www.apple.com/child-safety/pdf/CSAM_Detection_Techni... and tell me what's not about privacy with this? The alternative is upload everything unencrypted to providers who then scan there, which is how everything else works.

You are missing the forest for the trees. This entire feature is a privacy violation.

> The alternative is upload everything unencrypted to providers who then scan there

No, the alternative is to not do any scanning.

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Post by lmm »

anigbrowl wrote: post #252
lmm wrote: post #182

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If you're trying to get promoted by doing unpaid overtime and/or unpaid oncall shifts, you're a class traitor screwing over your colleagues. Help them by setting healthy boundaries even if you don't actually need them yourself.

class traitor I talk about class issues and economic justice a lot, but nobody owes prior allegiance to a particular class in a way that you can call them a traitor, unless it's some extreme example like a union official being willingly corrupted by a corporate fat cat - in which case a person is reneging on a promise they made, not some unilateral obligation. You might not like or disapprove of someone's work/life c…

They're framing their position as wanting to "help their colleagues" and not be a "mercenary", while in actually they're harming those colleagues for the sake of their "big promotion"; they're not just embracing a different value system but performing allegiance to communal values while actually undermining them. I'd have a certain respect for someone who openly acknowledged that they were trying to win a race to the bottom, but not for that kind of disingenuity and hypocrisy.

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Post by amiga1200 »

jraph wrote: post #242
didericis wrote: post #31

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It’s a downgrade, but the freedom of running linux on a phone is nice. I have a pinephone running sxmo, probably the nerdiest and least friendly ux possible. I’ve been using it sparingly, but intend to make a full time switch pretty soon. Having a phone with less capability and a focus on privacy will I think help make my phone less of a mental zapping appendage and more like the useful tool I remember these things b…

I'm using a PinePhone right now and I hope I won't need to switch back to Android. I grew used to this freedom. However, I would recommend it only to the most determined people because many things don't work well. Forget GPS navigation. GPS does not get the correct location most of the time, AGPS only works through a hacky bash / python script. There is no good gps app anyway. The sms app on phosh is crashy and does…

How does wasm run in general? E.g. .net blazor/rust apps? I feel wasm web apps running in a chromium clone could gain momentum.

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Post by lmm »

smabie wrote: post #200
lmm wrote: post #182

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If you're trying to get promoted by doing unpaid overtime and/or unpaid oncall shifts, you're a class traitor screwing over your colleagues. Help them by setting healthy boundaries even if you don't actually need them yourself.

Salaried workers don't get over-time. Also what's a class traitor? it's not like I'm working so hard not to become filthy rich. All my colleagues are doing the same.

> Salaried workers don't get over-time.

Abusive employers classify many de facto line workers as overtime-exempt, often illegally, and workers should not be complicit in this. An employer who tried to treat a unionized industry the way programmers are treated would be laughed at.

> Also what's a class traitor? it's not like I'm working so hard not to become filthy rich. All my colleagues are doing the same.

Sure, but remember that you're not actually a "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" - you most likely have much more common interest with your colleagues than with your bosses. When you find yourself in a prisoner's dilemma situation, remember that the correct metastrategy is to cooperate with people like you and with people who will cooperate themselves, not with a group that's well known to select for sociopathy.

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Post by blitzar »

e_proxus wrote: post #286
blitzar wrote: post #280

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Is it really that extreme? Threat model, staying employed / defend against idle gossip. Company surveillance (of their employees) is very real and unlike 'google reads all my emails' they actually can and do and it is a person they actually know whos private information they are viewing. I dont even need to get into the chance of every piece of information being in a lawsuit or get into the lack of any controls aroun…

Wow, what kind of workplace did you work in? Here in Germany I think gathering many of these facts would simply be illegal.

A bank in Europe, it was EU wide laws that resulted in all mobile phones being brought into the surveilence net. It has been common in banks to use recorded lines for decades, but the regulatons effectively mandated monitoring of every communication internally and externally post the libor scandal.

That said, when I have worked outside the region or in less regulated positions - the intrusion into particularly email and written communications is the exact same. When you leave an organisation in particular, you do reflect on how big a trail of information you have left behind in their hands.

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Post by jraph »

amiga1200 wrote: post #293
jraph wrote: post #242

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I'm using a PinePhone right now and I hope I won't need to switch back to Android. I grew used to this freedom. However, I would recommend it only to the most determined people because many things don't work well. Forget GPS navigation. GPS does not get the correct location most of the time, AGPS only works through a hacky bash / python script. There is no good gps app anyway. The sms app on phosh is crashy and does…

How does wasm run in general? E.g. .net blazor/rust apps? I feel wasm web apps running in a chromium clone could gain momentum.

I don't know, I don't think I've encountered any WASM app. Chromium is generally slow on the PinePhone, I would highly recommend Firefox on Phosh (unusable on Plasma unfortunately if this hasn't been fixed). Gnome Web and Angelfish (KDE's mobile browser) work well too.

I would not seek for WASM apps though. Those generally require big and heavy runtimes to be loaded in the browser for questionable benefits, with no way of sharing those runtimes with other apps. I would rather look for native apps, or Web apps with lightweight frontends which can actually be quite fast if done well.

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Post by fenomas »

barsonme wrote: post #151
hoten wrote: post #138

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No. Having a separate GitHub is just a pain. GitHub provides adequate separation itself (you can add multiple emails and configure notifications accordingly)

What’s difficult about it? Personally, I like knowing that my personal GitHub credentials stay only on my personal devices and my work credentials stay only on my work devices. I never have to worry about the two mixing and any problems that might arise.

Separating accounts is a fine principle, but for anything social (github, twitter..) some people have good reasons for doing their work from their existing personal accounts. E.g. evangelists, folks in devrel, those whose jobs include contributing to OSS or participating in open standards, and so on.

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Post by treesprite82 »

btmiller wrote: post #227
phantasilide wrote: post #157

Here’s my take as someone who worked there in the last two years. 1. You absolutely have the choice to make a separate iCloud account for work, you just can’t make it with an @apple.com email. 2. It’s true that you should not wipe your device when you quit. 3. We were instructed to avoid using iCloud for anything work related. They recommended turning everything iCloud related off on your work computer except for Fin…

Yeah the Twitter OP is wayyyy off base here. No one compels employees to merge accounts???? What the hell is this story even. This feels like someone with an axe to grind, and external readers are none-the-wiser to reality internally at Apple. (Obviously thoughts are my own, I do not speak for the company)

Jacob Preston (ex-Apple Firmware Engineer), Ashley Gjøvik (Apple Senior Engineering Program Manager) and Zoë Schiffer (Verge senior reporter) in the linked Twitter thread all seem to be claiming that Apple tells employees to merge their accounts. Encouraging use of a work iPhone as a personal device to "dogfood" is also mentioned.

It's a big company though, so possible that policy varies.

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Post by aaaaaaaaaaab »

Fyi, she’s the same woman whose apartment complex was apparently built on toxic waste that made her sick (only her), yet noone could measure any harmful substance in her apartment, the authorities couldn’t help and tried to cover it up. [1]

It seems strange that she happens to be also the victim of organized workplace harrasment at Apple. And again, the authorities (internal Employee Relations) refused to help, and tried to cover it up…?

Either she’s the most unlucky person… or maybe it’s all in her head? Take a look at her website documenting her “ordeals” at Apple [2] To me, it looks like the scrapbook of a paranoid schizophrenic who meticulously collects “evidence” on their “gangstalking”… Just look at this tweet [3] where she talks about fighting Apple, Northrop Grumman (!) and the Irvine Company, and tell me with a straight face that she’s not a wacko.

[1] https://sfbayview.com/2021/03/i-thought-i-was-dying-my-apart...

[2] https://www.ashleygjovik.com/ashleys-apple-story.html

[3] https://www.ashleygjovik.com/uploads/1/3/7/0/137008339/publi...

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Post by int_19h »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #186
kylec wrote: post #2

Yeah, it's really weird that the @apple.com email you get when you start isn't usable as an Apple ID. I didn't want to sign into my personal account on my work computer for a BUNCH of reasons (privacy being one, but beta software messing with my data was another) so I created a new free iCloud account. But it struck me as VERY odd that Apple would want their employees minging their work and personal data on their per…

It was a similar story at Microsoft: for a long time we couldn't reliably use @microsoft.com e-mail addresses as MSAs ("Microsoft Accounts", the then-new name for Windows Live IDs), so we were all told to create a new non-@microsoft.com address for stuff that needed an MSA - I don't remember the guidance for if we could re-use our pre-existing personal addresses or not but I know that some people did, but most people…

@microsoft.com accounts work fine now. But yeah, I remember it, and it was a hassle.
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