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Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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Post by barsonme »

hoten wrote: post #138
fenomas wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with most of this, but I'm curious about the specific case of Github. If I join a company, are there any big dangers to just having them add my personal GH account to their organizations or private repos, and then if I leave the company they can remove me again? This seems to be how a lot of developers in my orbit do things. (I mean any dangers at the account/permissions/privacy level - separate from "having…

No. Having a separate GitHub is just a pain. GitHub provides adequate separation itself (you can add multiple emails and configure notifications accordingly)

What’s difficult about it?

Personally, I like knowing that my personal GitHub credentials stay only on my personal devices and my work credentials stay only on my work devices. I never have to worry about the two mixing and any problems that might arise.

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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Post by kkiinnpptt »

Silhouette wrote: post #146
fenomas wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with most of this, but I'm curious about the specific case of Github. If I join a company, are there any big dangers to just having them add my personal GH account to their organizations or private repos, and then if I leave the company they can remove me again? This seems to be how a lot of developers in my orbit do things. (I mean any dangers at the account/permissions/privacy level - separate from "having…

There have definitely been cases where hosting services have allowed someone to link a personal account into a corporate one belonging to their employer, then at the end of the employment the corporate account has been given control of everything within the personal account. I don't recall whether GitHub specifically was one of the services mentioned, but I would avoid creating that kind of link on any hosting servic…

I recall pulling out of some AWS signup last minute because of this.

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

Teever wrote: post #144
throwaway98797 wrote: post #79

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and some of the good contacts get the personal number.

Sounds like some people in sales have three phones.

Just need a dual SIM phone and Google Voice.

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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Post by loteck »

ramraj07 wrote: post #101
gurchik wrote: post #76

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Personally there is a difference between logging into Slack on my phone and logging into email (which requires me to enroll into the MDM). I do the former on my personal cell phone, but I would never do the latter. There are many mistakes the company can make (like wiping my personal phone after resigning from the company) to make me regret that decision. But installing Slack is different, I can shut off the notifica…

Agreed enrolling into MDM shouldn’t be taken lightly. I don’t see that in any modern tech company (at least small ones). For the most part I use gmail and login to the company google account.

I like that you're in a thread about Apple asking employees to straight up merge their personal data into a corporate-owned account and your response is "Phew, at least they didn't ask you to install MDM!"

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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Post by techrat »

Cd00d wrote: post #148
shaggyfrog wrote: post #7

Create a firewall between your personal and professional time. Another name for this is “setting healthy boundaries”. Always create new accounts for anything work related -- GitHub, Apple ID, whatever. Don’t install work apps on your personal phone. Don’t enrol your personal phone in corporate MDM. If they want you to use a device for work, ask them to give you one. Don’t do personal stuff on your work devices. Don’t…

I get that in the "most secure boundary" sense, I should have a work provided phone for work stuff, BUT... I don't want to carry two phones. I'm part of a team that owns some responsibility for fixing things that break in the night. I find it freeing to be able to reply to a Slack or Outlook email while I'm with my kids at the playground. I see the above advice all the time, but I can't help but think it only relates…

> I don't want to carry two phones.

Ah, so you're willing to trade privacy for convenience.

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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Post by kodah »

Cd00d wrote: post #148
shaggyfrog wrote: post #7

Create a firewall between your personal and professional time. Another name for this is “setting healthy boundaries”. Always create new accounts for anything work related -- GitHub, Apple ID, whatever. Don’t install work apps on your personal phone. Don’t enrol your personal phone in corporate MDM. If they want you to use a device for work, ask them to give you one. Don’t do personal stuff on your work devices. Don’t…

I get that in the "most secure boundary" sense, I should have a work provided phone for work stuff, BUT... I don't want to carry two phones. I'm part of a team that owns some responsibility for fixing things that break in the night. I find it freeing to be able to reply to a Slack or Outlook email while I'm with my kids at the playground. I see the above advice all the time, but I can't help but think it only relates…

This is where I think the new line of Linux phones need to put in a lot of work. Properly sandboxing applications and defending against corporate snoopers should be a top priority of any open source phone OS.

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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Post by phantasilide »

Here’s my take as someone who worked there in the last two years.

1. You absolutely have the choice to make a separate iCloud account for work, you just can’t make it with an @apple.com email. 2. It’s true that you should not wipe your device when you quit. 3. We were instructed to avoid using iCloud for anything work related. They recommended turning everything iCloud related off on your work computer except for FindMy. 4. None of the claims in the tweet sound familiar to me, but Apple is a big org.

My impression is that they need you to have an iCloud account for tracking the location of the device with FindMy, but technical/legal limitations prevent that from happening through your work email.

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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Post by irrational »

ipaddr wrote: post #41
_drimzy wrote: post #24

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> Do you need to link your personal accounts with family photos and whatnot? Nope. You can create a separate iCloud account just for work. I did that during my time there. I always maintained a separate work phone, and used work icloud account for that. The folks complaining are the ones who just didn't do that, and added 'work data' on their personal account, which ofcourse they will have to hand over if subpoenaed.

Why are apple employees getting subpoenaed? Is this common at Apple?

Major companies are getting sued continually. It probably isn’t an individual person, but a product that a team or department worked on that is involved in the lawsuit.

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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Post by bdowling »

devnull3 wrote: post #106

It seems this person has/had some major work problems at Apple. The employees there apparently kept scores (on a white board?) to make her want to quit the job [1] [1] https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik/status/1427351298920239106 No matter who is in the wrong here, this is some A-grade toxic shit. This is unacceptable even for kids let alone adults.

There's a lot more.

https://www.ashleygjovik.com/ashleys-apple-story.html

Edit: I don't understand her endgame. She's not going back to work at Apple after the negative publicity she's been generating. She probably doesn't care because she's in law school and will be graduating soon. Is her goal to negotiate a generous settlement? The negative publicity reduces the value of her settlement. (Companies will pay for an NDA as part of a settlement, but only if the damaging info isn't already public.) Is she pursuing some naive, idealistic notion of justice? Or is it all to establish "cred" for her future legal career?

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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Post by fuyu »

techrat wrote: post #155
Cd00d wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get that in the "most secure boundary" sense, I should have a work provided phone for work stuff, BUT... I don't want to carry two phones. I'm part of a team that owns some responsibility for fixing things that break in the night. I find it freeing to be able to reply to a Slack or Outlook email while I'm with my kids at the playground. I see the above advice all the time, but I can't help but think it only relates…

> I don't want to carry two phones. Ah, so you're willing to trade privacy for convenience.

I'm not sure what tone your comment is intended to give off, but does there exist a person who _isn't_ willing to trade privacy for convenience to some degree? One certainly couldn't be using the internet or participating in society if they weren't willing to give up some privacy.
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