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Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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I'm really surprised at the number of personal GitHub accounts that are being used in my org and at others. I guarantee their access isn't being removed when they depart. And it seems common at a ton of companies.

Because GitHub makes it hard (i.e. impossible) to manage multiple accounts. No account switching on the website, no easy way to use multiple SSH keys to access multiple accounts when using Git.

What the hell? Everything you claim is false.

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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I’m slowly getting the impression that either there’s been a policy change at Apple in terms of customer privacy, or some other government pressure that’s causing all of these seemingly anti-privacy decisions to be made. I’m considering moving away from the Apple eco-system, any recommendations? I’m equally distrustful of Android (specifically Google). I feel like my only option is to compile and deploy my own versio…

It’s a downgrade, but the freedom of running linux on a phone is nice. I have a pinephone running sxmo, probably the nerdiest and least friendly ux possible. I’ve been using it sparingly, but intend to make a full time switch pretty soon. Having a phone with less capability and a focus on privacy will I think help make my phone less of a mental zapping appendage and more like the useful tool I remember these things b…

I'm using a PinePhone right now and I hope I won't need to switch back to Android. I grew used to this freedom.

However, I would recommend it only to the most determined people because many things don't work well.

Forget GPS navigation. GPS does not get the correct location most of the time, AGPS only works through a hacky bash / python script. There is no good gps app anyway.

The sms app on phosh is crashy and does not yet support MMS for which you have to use another hacky script (but I'm working on an alternative app).

The phone often needs to be rebooted due to the modem sometimes not waking up. Calls are not high quality. No built in way to have a reliable alarm if the phone is not plugged. Photos are bad. The phone is generally slow for many modern web apps targeting more powerful hardware.

The phone takes time to wake up for a call.

I would not want to experience an emergency requiring to call someone.

The phone is not waterproof so it will likely break if it takes a good rain.

The on-screen time is not great though you can buy spare batteries which can largely change the game. Remember to set the sleep timer to 30s, which you need to do using the command line if you use Phosh, it helps a lot.

A smoother transition could be to use a degoogled android phone, maybe with MicroG for cell/wifi based location and only using free software (from F-Droid). But you'll still rely on proprietary blob.

I only ever used open source apps on Android and always refused to use apps like WhatsApp & its friends, which helped the transition to the PinePhone.

On the flip side, the PinePhone is getting better every day and the ability to just buy a spare battery and a battery charger and swap them as needed without any tool is really nice.

I typed this message on the PinePhone by the way. It's far from horrible despite my comment.

edit: what I want to say is, wanting to migrate to free and privacy-friendly software is probably a good thing, but increase the chance it will work by not making it too hard. On the desktop, Linux distributions are delightful to use, free software phones are still pretty much work-in-progress unfortunately. The gap between a degoogled Android phone and a PinePhone is huge, probably way bigger than between an iPhone and a degoogled Android phone.

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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I get that in the "most secure boundary" sense, I should have a work provided phone for work stuff, BUT... I don't want to carry two phones. I'm part of a team that owns some responsibility for fixing things that break in the night. I find it freeing to be able to reply to a Slack or Outlook email while I'm with my kids at the playground. I see the above advice all the time, but I can't help but think it only relates…

> I find it freeing to be able to reply to a Slack or Outlook email while I'm with my kids at the playground. You can spend as much time on work as you want, but you only get so much time with your children. OP's point is that you should guard the time you have and spend it wisely. Personally, I find carrying a second device and keeping things separate part of maintaining a healthy balance between my work and my pers…

I maintain a pretty optimal WLB at my current job (I don't remember the last time I've done any work outside of normal work hours) but I do like having work Slack and calendar on my phone. In my case I feel it adds freedom to my day since it makes it easier to just go run a quick mid-day errand without worrying that you're missing a meeting or something. I didn't used to have any of it on my phone because I always heard it was bad psychologically, but as a result I always felt nervous stepping away from my desk for too long because I'd have no way of knowing if someone needed me. I think if I was in a position where I was asked to do work outside of work hours I'd feel differently about this though, but the extent of my after work Slack is mostly requesting days off and browsing some announcement threads.

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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> I’m slowly getting the impression that either there’s been a policy change at Apple in terms of customer privacy More likely that they never were for privacy and injury used it as a marketing ploy, putting on the mirage of being pro-privacy.

I work for Apple. It’s not just marketing. It’s in every discussion in every feature. Even the current CSAM implementation is actually all about privacy if you read the details on how it’s implemented. The real question and concern is what happens once laws start getting passed that run counter to this. And that then won’t be just Apple’s problem at that point.

>Even the current CSAM implementation is actually all about privacy if you read the details on how it’s implemented.

Lol, no.

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get that in the "most secure boundary" sense, I should have a work provided phone for work stuff, BUT... I don't want to carry two phones. I'm part of a team that owns some responsibility for fixing things that break in the night. I find it freeing to be able to reply to a Slack or Outlook email while I'm with my kids at the playground. I see the above advice all the time, but I can't help but think it only relates…

> I don't want to carry two phones. Neither did Hilary Clinton

Relevant Between Two Ferns: https://youtu.be/xrkPe-9rM1Q?t=317

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work for Apple. It’s not just marketing. It’s in every discussion in every feature. Even the current CSAM implementation is actually all about privacy if you read the details on how it’s implemented. The real question and concern is what happens once laws start getting passed that run counter to this. And that then won’t be just Apple’s problem at that point.

>Even the current CSAM implementation is actually all about privacy if you read the details on how it’s implemented. Lol, no.

Read this: https://www.apple.com/child-safety/pdf/CSAM_Detection_Techni...

and tell me what's not about privacy with this? The alternative is upload everything unencrypted to providers who then scan there, which is how everything else works.

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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post #148

Create a firewall between your personal and professional time. Another name for this is “setting healthy boundaries”. Always create new accounts for anything work related -- GitHub, Apple ID, whatever. Don’t install work apps on your personal phone. Don’t enrol your personal phone in corporate MDM. If they want you to use a device for work, ask them to give you one. Don’t do personal stuff on your work devices. Don’t…

I get that in the "most secure boundary" sense, I should have a work provided phone for work stuff, BUT... I don't want to carry two phones. I'm part of a team that owns some responsibility for fixing things that break in the night. I find it freeing to be able to reply to a Slack or Outlook email while I'm with my kids at the playground. I see the above advice all the time, but I can't help but think it only relates…

When things break at night, can't they just call your personal phone? Can't you login to slack on your personal phone, from the browser if you have to?

Why does cooperate IT need to own your tech just for you to be reachable.

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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It seems this person has/had some major work problems at Apple. The employees there apparently kept scores (on a white board?) to make her want to quit the job [1] [1] https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik/status/1427351298920239106 No matter who is in the wrong here, this is some A-grade toxic shit. This is unacceptable even for kids let alone adults.

Do people just assume she's telling a truthful story? I wonder that because I worked there for years and anything remotely like what she claims was implausible when I was there, and would have been immediately corrected with impunity had such occurred. I mean there's security all over and they're not in a managerial chain, so something seems very difficult about her claims to me. In saying that, maybe she did have so…

Perhaps this might help convince you: https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik/status/1426014545202479108

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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It seems this person has/had some major work problems at Apple. The employees there apparently kept scores (on a white board?) to make her want to quit the job [1] [1] https://twitter.com/ashleygjovik/status/1427351298920239106 No matter who is in the wrong here, this is some A-grade toxic shit. This is unacceptable even for kids let alone adults.

There's a lot more. https://www.ashleygjovik.com/ashleys-apple-story.html Edit: I don't understand her endgame. She's not going back to work at Apple after the negative publicity she's been generating. She probably doesn't care because she's in law school and will be graduating soon. Is her goal to negotiate a generous settlement? The negative publicity reduces the value of her settlement. (Companies will pay for an…

How about trying to get Apple to fix problems like these?

Re: Apple explicitly asks employees to merge their personal and work accounts

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Create a firewall between your personal and professional time. Another name for this is “setting healthy boundaries”. Always create new accounts for anything work related -- GitHub, Apple ID, whatever. Don’t install work apps on your personal phone. Don’t enrol your personal phone in corporate MDM. If they want you to use a device for work, ask them to give you one. Don’t do personal stuff on your work devices. Don’t…

+1 on the MDM stuff. I recently had a guy I know lose all his photos after he left a company. The company said that they could only wipe the company partition on his Android phone, but somehow they could wipe the whole thing and pressed the wrong button.

Leaving a job is hard enough without having to disentangle a bunch of devices and accounts. If an employer wants the security of MDM, just have them provide you the device. Otherwise, it's your device, and you can be responsible for deleting the company related content on it when you separate.

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