So they're still retaining the ability to look on users devices? I have nothing against them looking at the abuse material, I have a problem with them having power over my device, which could be piggy-backed on by state actors (or others) for their own purposes later. Nobody is against them trying to prevent child sexual abuse, pretty sure we all agree that fighting that is important, but doing so by creating what is…
Don’t use iCloud photos
After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations
81–90 of 255 posts
Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This problem is the capability, not what it's used for. Any such capability will be abused by new use cases be it terrorism, drug trafficking, human trafficking or whatever. Plus there will inevitably be unauthorized access. Apple even says it themselves[1]: > This program is ambitious, and protecting children is an important responsibility. These efforts will evolve and expand over time. [1] https://www.apple.com/…
I can't wait until /child-safety 404s or redirects to /safety and there's a wall of marketing blurb (possibly only in Chinese at first) that explains how 'national security' concerns are reported to the CCP. This has totally pushed me over the edge, though I'll admit I was oblivious to begin with. My plan is to replace the MacBooks with a Thinkpad P15 gen 2 running Ubuntu and replace the iPhone with something running…
Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations
#83Trust lost last week. This doesn’t matter.
If Apple says "we heard the backlash, we're sorry, we'll never do it again", I'll be more of a supporter than I had been before.
Until they do, trust lost.
Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don’t use iCloud photos
Don’t use Apple products. The scanning is on device.
How is it day 47 of HN arguing about this and you all still can’t get basic facts right, and oh boy, you showed me downvoting me twice in 60 seconds for pointing out a lack of fundamental comprehension of what you’re actually upset about
This community is obnoxious
Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unfortunately, I don't think this has been anything more than a small blip to Apple's reputation. If I were not on Hackernews (like 99+% of Apple users), I would have either not heard or given second thought to this move.
It’s on Reuters and many other news outlets. The press are still doing their job for the moment at least.
Kind of surprising how tone deaf Apple's response has been despite this.
Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations
#86They're willing to kill the platform over this? What's going over there on the west coast?
They know they can essentially wait out the public outcry, plus they can even buffer things a little bit by calling their critics "confused" and introduce measures that don't address anything but sound reasonable to lay persons in an effort to distort the conversation. The platform is not in danger. But if it were, then yes, I think they'd still risk it. It's either that or getting shut out of markets gradually by la…
How come that's not happening to desktop Linux then?
Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations
#87And... Apple misses the point of the criticism completely. This problem is the capability, not what it's used for. Any such capability will be abused by new use cases be it terrorism, drug trafficking, human trafficking or whatever. Plus there will inevitably be unauthorized access. The only way to prevent all this is for the system not to exist. I don't buy into theories that Apple is being pressured or coerced on a…
> The only way to prevent all this is for the system not to exist.
I've been having trouble following this argument over the last week. Isn't it clear that the capability already exists? Whether or not Apple goes through with its CSAM plan, the capability is evidently there.
In other words, since Apple is a closed system, the capability was there before they announced the CSAM plans. Their announcement has changed nothing about capability other than reminding people that Apple has privileged access to the data on iPhones.
I guess the question is, if Apple does the CSAM program does that make them more likely to cave to government pressure to search for other things? And to do so without telling users?
Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Completely agree. A friend of mine asked what was happening, and I just said "it's a big deal, biggest thing in a long time". Antennagate is a good comparison -- though this seems bigger. Impacts of Antennagate long term seemed minimal.
Sadly this will likely be little to no impact on Apple long term either. I too agree this is coming from the government. They have found their loophole of using "private industry" to do all the dirty stuff they cannot directly do.
While Apple deserves all the fallout they're getting and more, I'm disappointed that the NCMEC that pushed for this isn't also receiving more scrutiny and criticism. Multiple people have now pointed out that their database contains false positives, which is absolutely terrifying. Completely legal, harmless, no-nudity-no-humans pictures can get your life ruined. The truth coming out later doesn't matter when your home gets raided and it slips out that you were caught sharing multiple images that matched hashes from the NCMEC child porn database.
Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations
#89With this much bad PR (and Apple hates bad PR), why is Apple pretty much holding its position?
Because this is likely not about making money, it's about expanding surveillance. Once this becomes accepted they can ratchet it up bit-by-bit. Each the the outrage will be less and less. For example imagine creating a new tax for 1% of purchases. People would be outraged. Now imagine raising sales tax instead by 1% (ex 7% to 8%.) Sure some people would be upset, but it would be a smaller number than the "new" tax. T…
It's quite simple: the culture of bureaucrats that have dominated Washington DC and its policies in the post WW2 era, they acquired a position of power the likes of which has rarely been seen in all of human history. Now, ask yourself: do you really think they're ready to give that power up? They're ready to stop treating the rest of the planet like it's their toy, to do with as they please. Then ask yourself: what do you think they're prepared to do to stave off risks to that power? The risk that they might lose their precious. And there you go, you have your answer. They're willing to do many of the same things other authoritarians have been willing to do. The US isn't Soviet Russia, that's not the suggestion; it doesn't need to be to start putting political opponents (fringe rabble rousers; whether libertarian or socialist - see: Clinton vs Sanders; that's globalist establishment vs domestic socialist) into prison and surveiling everyone in a desperate attempt to retain their power. That kind of power is an intense drug, they're addicts of the worst kind, you can tell by how they behave in regards to the rest of the world, how they treat the rest of the world.
To ensure they keep their power, to keep their globalist forever war machine (and everything that goes with it), they need to put the boot on rising domestic risks to that power.
Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations
#90And... Apple misses the point of the criticism completely. This problem is the capability, not what it's used for. Any such capability will be abused by new use cases be it terrorism, drug trafficking, human trafficking or whatever. Plus there will inevitably be unauthorized access. The only way to prevent all this is for the system not to exist. I don't buy into theories that Apple is being pressured or coerced on a…
and then this. Apple intentionally injects uncertainty and controversy? what were they thinking?? sure its just phones right now but im sure mac users are wondering about workstations and laptops? the damage control being spun right now is absolutely overwhelming.
im also surprised to see no other players like MS or Google rushing to take advantage of the outrage. even players like Purism seem to be ignoring the event.