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Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by dbsmith83 »

mrfusion wrote: post #230

A bit off topic but you know what’s really jarring for me? For the past ten years I’ve agreed with the majority on hacker news on almost every issue. Software patents, voting rights, who knows what else. Everyone seemed to just find the right answer and it made sense. Then all of a sudden I’m in tiny minority because I believe people should be able to choose what they put in their own bodies. It really feels like a t…

Might be time to reevaluate your position and examine your gross simplification of the issue

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by jb775 »

Barrin92 wrote: post #553
timr wrote: post #129

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I am pro-vaccine (and fully vaccinated), but I don't support this policy at all. I don't believe this will have much of a net effect on vaccination rate, I believe it will disproportionately negatively impact poor and minority populations in NYC who already have a bad/mistrustful relationship with health care and government, and it is obviously a huge new governmental intrusion into our daily lives. It might well lea…

> if you are fully vaccinated, you are at essentially no risk of serious illness from SARS-CoV2. Terrible first order logic. The threat from the virus is not only immediate risk to the individual, it is also further transmissions increasing the risk of creating new breakthrough variants. Every infected person is a gamble that risks nullifying the effectiveness of vaccines, so the goal must be to bring down infections…

Your response is the definition of small-minded thinking. On top of that, they are rooted in selfish false-concerns for others.

While it is true that the vaccinated are at essentially no risk of serious illness from SARS-CoV2...it's ALSO true that the UN-vaccinated are at essentially no risk of serious illness from SARS-CoV2. THAT'S THE FUCKING TRUTH!!! It's been that way from day 1....but the dumbasses who believe the skewed number fake-news stats continue to boast their BS sob story to justify an experimental vaccine where the pharmaceutical companies have a LIABILITY WAIVER...so they can collect cash but not ever have risk to the downside.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by logicchains »

colinmhayes wrote: post #452
NonContro wrote: post #328

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You're ignoring that a significant portion of #2 have already got resistance via infection. There is no point whatsoever for those people to get vaccinated, apart from padding out the pockets of Big Pharma. With the scale of vaccinations that we already have, COVID is firmly in the realm of influenza in terms of potential future deathtoll. In fact, for much of this year the UK had higher influenza deaths than COVID d…

>There is no point whatsoever for those people to get vaccinated False, the vaccine is more effective than antibodies from a previous infection. It's not a huge difference, but it is absolutely statistically significant.

Israel found that with delta it's the opposite: https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762. " Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection"

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by forcry »

alecst wrote: post #9

Pretty dismal discussion in here at the time of writing. Largely complaints about tyranny. Makes me sad that we can't have a calm discussion about the merits of the policy. From what I can tell, you might be opposed to this policy if: 1. You have fears about getting a vaccine, moreso than for coronavirus. If this is you, do you prefer a mask mandate? And if so, how do you enforce this in a restaurant, where anyone ea…

> Unless, of course, you think that the vaccine is more dangerous than coronavirus. And then I don't really know what to say.

You say this because you trust the authorities, the media and the scientists.

You are free to trust them. And someone else should have the freedom NOT to trust them.

And that is the whole point.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by logicchains »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #523
cm2187 wrote: post #160

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Not if they are 20 or already had covid.

> Not if they are 20 or already had covid We have inconclusive data on the protection past infection affords with respect to the Delta variant. We have decent data showing the mRNA vaccines work. We also have inconclusive but pointed data about the Delta variant being more problematic for younger people [1]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/03/health/covid-young-adults...

We have data from Israel that with respect to Delta, "Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection": https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by jb775 »

wwweston wrote: post #709
timr wrote: post #659

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> we should have. Tolerating disease spread and threats to vulnerable populations when vaccines are available that are practically risk-free (or the risk being magnitudes smaller than the payoff) is ridiculous. Maybe this finally shakes people awake and puts public health and safety to the top of the agenda rather than people throwing tantrums like children about government incursion. You can certainly go down this p…

> an overall risk of illness and death that is on par with every other year I have been alive. The excess death statistics would like to have a word with you, but more importantly: > If I ever become so afraid of death that I demand that other people give up their basic human rights Are basic human rights really what we're talking about here? If so, they've always had limits when it came to impacts on others. The fre…

Your POS mindset is everything that's wrong with America right now.

Whether you understand it or not, it's smug, small-minded thinking. You disregard essential human rights while acting like you care about in-vogue topics being falsely-flagged as human rights issues. You think you're so smart but your ancestors are turning in their fucking graves.

Naturally, I'm assuming you also hate the thought of procreation. So the only positive is knowing that your DNA will die out of the human gene-pool in under a generation.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by jb775 »

tehjoker wrote: post #656
jb775 wrote: post #608

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HOSPITALS HAVE LITERALLY BEEN EMPTY SINCE DAY 1.

Tell that to my doctor friends that have seen many COVID patients fill up the ICU and die.

Thanks for your false anecdotal sob story. Too bad it doesn't represent anything close to the true situation.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by zekica »

shaklee3 wrote: post #891
acituan wrote: post #611

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> The threat from the virus is not only immediate risk to the individual, it is also further transmissions increasing the risk of creating new breakthrough variants > Tolerating disease spread and threats to vulnerable populations when vaccines are available that are practically risk-free (or the risk being magnitudes smaller than the payoff) is ridiculous Those are very different justifications with very different p…

Please cite a recent source that natural immunity is better/longer lasting.

https://doi.org/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by logicchains »

titzer wrote: post #718
mrfusion wrote: post #230

A bit off topic but you know what’s really jarring for me? For the past ten years I’ve agreed with the majority on hacker news on almost every issue. Software patents, voting rights, who knows what else. Everyone seemed to just find the right answer and it made sense. Then all of a sudden I’m in tiny minority because I believe people should be able to choose what they put in their own bodies. It really feels like a t…

> Then all of a sudden I’m in tiny minority because I believe people should be able to choose what they put in their own bodies. It's just being selective, because you had to be vaccinated to go to school and/or college. And ain't nobody alive today that can choose to not ingest microplastics, PFAs, pesticides, many can't avoid lead in their drinking water, and none of us can avoid air pollution. And COVID for that m…

>But people are just wandering around spreading the plague like that's their constitutional right. Your unvaccinated fist is right in my face.

This kind of thinking is the root of the problem: so many people nowadays are so completely devoid of values that they have no problem infringing on other people's fundamental rights just to minimise risk to themselves. In decades past Americans were willing to die to protect the freedoms of their fellow countrymen, now they're so spineless they'd rather destroy other people's freedoms just to prevent a risk that's incredibly miniscule considering they're already vaccinated.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Post by natchy »

yezr wrote: post #813
timr wrote: post #659

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> we should have. Tolerating disease spread and threats to vulnerable populations when vaccines are available that are practically risk-free (or the risk being magnitudes smaller than the payoff) is ridiculous. Maybe this finally shakes people awake and puts public health and safety to the top of the agenda rather than people throwing tantrums like children about government incursion. You can certainly go down this p…

You're not being asked to give up your basic human rights though. What you are being asked to do is to get a free, readily available vaccine that will protect you and others from current and future harm.

> a free, readily available vaccine

Nothing is free. How much did pharma companies make from the vaccine? I don’t know the answer.

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