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Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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A bit off topic but you know what’s really jarring for me? For the past ten years I’ve agreed with the majority on hacker news on almost every issue. Software patents, voting rights, who knows what else. Everyone seemed to just find the right answer and it made sense. Then all of a sudden I’m in tiny minority because I believe people should be able to choose what they put in their own bodies. It really feels like a t…

I'm feeling the same way.

Also, it's like the vaccine debate has turned into the same arguments as the pro-life/pro-choice debates.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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To preface: I got the vaccine months ago (as soon as I had access), I'm a big believer in vaccines. With that being said, this policy doesn't sit well with me. None of the currently available vaccines in the US are FDA approved. Of course, a lot of people have received those vaccines, but I also don't necessarily fault individuals for feeling hesitant (the nuance here is that I think people ought to get the vaccine).…

Just to point out: The vaccines available in the US are authorized for use through an established FDA process.

If you trust the FDA approval process, why not the FDA’s EUA process as well?

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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I have an autoimmune disorder (caused by a drug trial of an immunotherapy I was on due to cancer). I haven’t taken the vaccine because my cohort has been excluded from every trial and study. There is no (serious) guidance on how I’m supposed to schedule my regular biologic shot in concert with a vaccine dose. The CDC actually has a section on their website saying how people with auto immune issues were excluded from…

You could convey your personal experience and how it weighs against the other person's without being an ass about it. You may not like being in a marginal group, but you should realize how very few people in this country are discussing your situation when they talk about the unvaccinated. There are tens of millions of people in the country who are willingly unvaccinated, and almost the entirety of them are people who…

Medical freedom should be absolute. It’s only because of totalitarian midwits like you trying to force policy that I’m in the situation I’m in. And I know first-hand what it’s like to have your health destroyed by an experimental drug, unlike you.

People without underlying conditions have a right to avoid the vaccine. I say this as an at-risk individual. You understand that modern vaccines have been pulled from the schedule post-marketing, right? Rotavirus gen 1 was pulled for destroying the intestines of newborns after it was already on the CDC schedule. The analysis of Pandemrix showing that it was linked to narcolepsy was not done until years after swine flu. Hesitancy of the current mRNA vaccines is perfectly reasonable, purely for chronological reasons. Volume of test subjects does not make up for lack of long term data, and only people saying otherwise benefit financially from you ignoring that fact.

Ultimately, given the lack of long term data, the reasonable policy should have been anti body testing before vaccination. Detectable anti bodies = no vaccine, go about your life. But that’s too reasonable. Instead we’ll force everyone to buy the new pharma product, expose everyone’s medical history, and not check any edge or corner cases while doubling down on our laughable position.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Boston Mayor Kim Janey explicitly rejected vaccine passports as being reminiscent of slavery.

https://www.wcvb.com/article/boston-mayor-janey-compares-vac...

Note that I'm not making the comparison with slavery myself, I'm just passing on the statement from another big city mayor with a different perspective.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Pretty dismal discussion in here at the time of writing. Largely complaints about tyranny. Makes me sad that we can't have a calm discussion about the merits of the policy. From what I can tell, you might be opposed to this policy if: 1. You have fears about getting a vaccine, moreso than for coronavirus. If this is you, do you prefer a mask mandate? And if so, how do you enforce this in a restaurant, where anyone ea…

We shouldn’t applaud the normalization of health status checks outside a border crossing. The world has a nasty trend of using crises to erode privacy and we collectively never recover - what was sold as temporary becomes permanent, endlessly extended and expanded. I’m not an antivaxer. The vaccine works and I believe it’s really safe. I’m vaccinated. Nearly anyone who is capable to go to a bar can easily go get vacc…

The supreme court ruled that it's legal to mandate vaccinations in 1905. Boston fined people for not getting a smallpox vaccine. This seems like a better option to me.

Don't want to get vaccinated? Fine. Have a valid medical reason, pay a $2500 fee, or leave the city.

>90% of people will just get vaccinated.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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It’s a bit like cars. Own whatever you want, but the state has a say in what is and is not allowed on the roads they built and maintain.

That's a great example! Thanks, I'm going to use this.

Yes, because no one ever breaks the rules of the road right? I mean, you've never driven over the speed limit? Parked in a non-parking space? Driven through a red light? Yes, what a great example lol.

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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I am pro-vaccine (and fully vaccinated), but I don't support this policy at all. I don't believe this will have much of a net effect on vaccination rate, I believe it will disproportionately negatively impact poor and minority populations in NYC who already have a bad/mistrustful relationship with health care and government, and it is obviously a huge new governmental intrusion into our daily lives. It might well lea…

> if you are fully vaccinated, you are at essentially no risk of serious illness from SARS-CoV2. Terrible first order logic. The threat from the virus is not only immediate risk to the individual, it is also further transmissions increasing the risk of creating new breakthrough variants. Every infected person is a gamble that risks nullifying the effectiveness of vaccines, so the goal must be to bring down infections…

> Public health resources are limited. Unnecessary Covid hospitalizations cause immense opportunity cost in the form of crowding out care and driving costs. Which in many cases other sick people and the public will have to carry.

We have already decided as a society that individual choice outranks the cost to the health system. See obesity, smoking cigarettes, drinking alcohol, workaholic culture with very limited vacation days, etc

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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>I am vaccinated. I have friends who are vaccinated, and have still gotten COVID. vaccinated people get covid and spread it like unvaccinated[1]. Then what is the point of vaccination mandate? I really don't understand. Add to that that since May CDC stopped counting breakthrough cases which don't result in hospitalizations. [1] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of... "About three-fourths of p…

To my knowledge (which can be wrong), vaccinated people do have a much less chance to get infected, and if infected on average have a much less viral load (thats whey they don't get as sick). As a consequence, they are less contributing to spreading the virus than unvaccinated people. And as they get less often seriously sick, they also reduce the load onto the health sytem.

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Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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Replace “COVID” for “AIDS” and see how irresponsible and even criminal is to complain when you might have it now and not know it. Fear about the vaccine, privacy, or how “minorities are going to suffer”? BS

I’m a little confused at this comment. Are you saying the AIDS vaccine (when it comes) should be mandatory for all sexually active people?

Re: NYC to mandate proof of vaccination for many indoor settings

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> Isn't it kind of alarming to hear a government say, hey, our own scientists haven't approved this, but we want to inject it into your body anyway? This isn’t what is happening - the scientists are encouraging you to get the vaccine too. Full approval requires a lengthy amount of time because usually things are being tested outside of a crisis. I think a lot of comments are missing that this is a public health crisi…

>> Isn't it kind of alarming to hear a government say, hey, our own scientists haven't approved this, but we want to inject it into your body anyway? > This isn’t what is happening - the scientists are encouraging you to get the vaccine too. That is literally what is happening. Their own scientists at the FDA have not approved the vaccine and yet they're trying to mandate people to get vaccinated anyway. > I think a…

Can you cite any scientists saying “hold on, we don’t approve of this yet”?
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