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Getting ready to leave my blue state home. Born and raised in California, but the autoritarian writing is on the wall, and I'm making my preparations.
Sounds like you're going to vote accordingly when you do, I hope.
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NPR yesterday was interviewing a guy who'd had an organ transplant and thus has to take immunosuppressant drugs. He'd been vaccinated, it was either pfizer or moderna. His doctor tested him for antibodies, his were undetectable. He was getting a third shot in hopes it would finally give him antibodies. By being against vaccines or against vaccine requirements, people risk the lives of those like that guy, who's alrea…
I have an autoimmune disorder (caused by a drug trial of an immunotherapy I was on due to cancer). I haven’t taken the vaccine because my cohort has been excluded from every trial and study. There is no (serious) guidance on how I’m supposed to schedule my regular biologic shot in concert with a vaccine dose. The CDC actually has a section on their website saying how people with auto immune issues were excluded from…
You may not like being in a marginal group, but you should realize how very few people in this country are discussing your situation when they talk about the unvaccinated. There are tens of millions of people in the country who are willingly unvaccinated, and almost the entirety of them are people who do not have autoimmune disorders. In fact, the people pushing for mandates are often using your situation - that of someone for whom the vaccine is ineffective - as reason for a requirement.
So chill.
Pretty dismal discussion in here at the time of writing. Largely complaints about tyranny. Makes me sad that we can't have a calm discussion about the merits of the policy. From what I can tell, you might be opposed to this policy if: 1. You have fears about getting a vaccine, moreso than for coronavirus. If this is you, do you prefer a mask mandate? And if so, how do you enforce this in a restaurant, where anyone ea…
I am pro-vaccine (and fully vaccinated), but I don't support this policy at all. I don't believe this will have much of a net effect on vaccination rate, I believe it will disproportionately negatively impact poor and minority populations in NYC who already have a bad/mistrustful relationship with health care and government, and it is obviously a huge new governmental intrusion into our daily lives. It might well lea…
“Everyone is going to get Corona. Whether you’re vaccinated or not, whether you’re old or young, whether you’re tested or not, whether we lock down or not. This is a fact of life now. The vaccines will protect against severe symptoms only for a time, and Corona is always changing. Slowing the spread will prove counter-productive particularly to those who have sought the protection of vaccines. Your best hope of conti…
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> I believe people should be able to choose what they put in their own bodies You still can, with limited exceptions: * Kids need to be vaccinated against ~9 ailments before they attend school (seems mandatory but homeschool is an option in every state) * Adults need to be vaccinated against one before they patronize indoor restaurants, entertainment venues and gyms (completely optional activities and only in the den…
The vaccines kids have to get have a very high (near certainty) probability of preventing them from contracting the particular illness. The covid vaccines do not. People are still getting covid after being vaccinated. This is happening a lot.
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> we should have. Tolerating disease spread and threats to vulnerable populations when vaccines are available that are practically risk-free (or the risk being magnitudes smaller than the payoff) is ridiculous. Maybe this finally shakes people awake and puts public health and safety to the top of the agenda rather than people throwing tantrums like children about government incursion. You can certainly go down this p…
Thanks for having the courage to write this. I couldnt agree more. I find the risk assessment argument of the thread parent really twisted. Younger people effectively have no risk of dying from covid. Elderly have. And now, the left is trying to force everyone to vaccinate, no matter how good or bad their immune system might be. This world has become a place I actually really dont want to live in. If this trend reall…
I personally don't care if you decide to die or not, if you choose to forego the vaccine. But your freedom to be dumb ends when you put other lives in danger.
In that way, being unvaccinated is like driving drunk. We don't make DUIs illegal to save the drunk driver's life, that's just a bonus. We're mostly trying to stop them from killing innocents with their poor decision making.
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If you've had COVID you are more likely to have an adverse reaction to the vaccine, it's just how the immune system reactions. If I knew I'd have 2 bad sick days to take 2 doses of a vaccine that I have already beaten.. meh.
> If you've had COVID you are more likely to have an adverse reaction to the vaccine, it's just how the immune system reactions Can you point to anything that backs up that claim?
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Sounds very dystopian when you describe it outside the context of a life-saving measure. I don't like the idea of a "government stripping life of all its luxuries" either. ...but are you sure they don't have that authority? There have been plenty of times I've had luxuries stripped in the last two years. What about enjoyable, luxurious substances? International travel to exciting places? Driving around without a seat…
It sounds dystopian because it is.
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Honestly, I think a lot of people here without kids have absolutely no idea that you need to prove immunization in order to attend school. What’s funnier still to me is men (it always seems to be men) outraged that they might need to prove vaccination in order to send their kids back to school, publicly admitting that they’ve been fobbing that work off on their spouse.
People know. They know, if anything, because you need to be vaccinated to attend colleges. The issue is that this vaccine is not FDA approved. A vaccine that provides for only a year is hardly the same as a booster shot which is good for 10 iirc.
> A vaccine that provides for only a year is hardly the same as a booster shot which is good for 10 iirc.
As compared to the flu shot? The one that I’ve been given for free in every school and workplace I’ve attended in the past twenty years?
Logistically, yearly shots are nbd. Maybe we should make flu shots mandatory for education just like the MMR shot, given the number of kids killed by the flu every year.
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The US Supreme Court is not the ultimate moral authority. You’re responding to a comment addressing the abstract long-term consequences of a policy with a specific legal determination saying the policy didn’t happen to violate US law.
At some point, society has to reach a decision so it can function. You can't just throw your hands up in the air waiting for some higher power with a clearer moral standing to show up and do something universally morally unambiguous. We use the court system as a way of resolving conflicts where there are competing interests and arguments to be made. The Supreme Court had a similar situation happen 116 years ago, and…