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Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by TomasBaneUK »

Zhyl wrote: post #74

A headline in Linux gaming circles that hasn't hit the wider circuit yet (probably because it hasn't actually been delivered yet) is that Valve are working with Battleye and EAC to get anti-cheat working on Proton for the release of the steam deck. If this happens it will be, without exaggeration, the greatest thing to ever happen to Linux gaming. I'm not expecting a massive increase overnight, but it should mean tha…

Client side anti-cheats are getting disrupted anyway. You can already buy ML and external hardware cheats that are obviously impossible to detect using the same old methods. It can work for games being streamed locally or over the internet, Stadia, game consoles, anything with a screen.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by AlphaSite »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #234
squarefoot wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IT all depends on how, where and when does this malware run. If they can be installed along with the games under a gaming only account on the Linux machine, that is, with zero permissions on system and other users files around, that's fine with me. However if they require to pollute system directories or, much worse, be installed as kernel modules or system level daemons, then it's way different. Security conscious g…

> If they can be installed along with the games under a gaming only account on the Linux machine, that is, with zero permissions on system and other users files around, that's fine with me. Completely ineffective. It will be trivial to circumvent those protections. Might as well not bother. The truth is cheaters are merely excersising their computing freedom. It's my computer, the game is merely running on it. If I w…

I think there is an underlying assumption that you’re entitled to play the game, therefor anti cheat is violating your freedoms.

But if we remove the assumption that you are entitled to play any game how ever you please i think this argument somewhat falls apart. If you don’t like their using anti cheat, then just don’t play those games which use it.

I just don’t think enough people agree with you that it will work in your favour unfortunately.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by oliwarner »

dijit wrote: post #78
foxhill wrote: post #14

i’ve been using linux as my daily driver for just over a year. steam on linux has been great, and proton (wine) has been indispensable. big title games i’ve played with _no_ issues at all: * Cyberpunk 2077 (ok that has issues, but it has the same issues for windows users..) * Dying Light * Titanfall * The Division along with _many_ other indie/small games. honestly the only thing left is titles that include invasive…

> The Division Division 1 or 2? Division 1 was built in a way that would be very hard to run on Linux, Division 2 however was ported to Stadia which is basically Ubuntu. If it wasn't for Stadia that effort would never have been spent, I was a huge advocate for linux on those projects for years.

Division 1 works fine.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by nottorp »

mminer237 wrote: post #168
nottorp wrote: post #153

Anyone knows if you can get absolute values for that 1%? Couldn't find them on the steam survey page and I'm curious how many millions of PCs is 1%.

Steam has about 120 million monthly active players, with about half playing on a given day: https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamworks/announcements/d... Assuming Linux players are representative, that puts the number of Linux users at 1.2 million per month and 600,000 per day.

Maybe but I think the hardware survey is opt in? I get asked occasionally if i want to be counted.

So less than that.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by schmorptron »

hpaavola wrote: post #47
josefx wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Graphical artifacts, freezing, stuttering, and even full OS reboots. I have seen similar on Windows. For example when Bioshock Remastered Freezes there is no way to exit it, windows still responds, but there is no way to close the game because everything you open is hidden by it. Also the amount of Graphical glitches I encountered in Skyrim is just hilarious. DotA 2 seems to sometimes glitch out when you hit alt ta…

For situation like this, make sure you have at least 2 virtual desktops available and then alt+tab and then ctrl+win+arrow key to switch to an empty virtual desktop and open task manager.

this is the way, you don't even have to have 2 desktops open, just win + tab and then open a new one for taskmgr.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by Flott »

The Windows 11 announcement is what made me transition to Ubuntu in the last few weeks. So far, I made the transition on 4 out of 5 of my windows PC.

It's far from smooth enough to become mainstream (with ubuntu at least.)

A few example: Steam wouldn't launch on my PC with an Nvidia card. (At to install some x86 package to make it work).

File sharing just didn't work at all without manually edit the smb.conf file.

Ubuntu randomly ignore my router DNS settings. All my self-hosted stuff requiring local DNS randomly stops working unless I force ubuntu to use my own DNS server.

Some games just don't work on any of my PCs (even if they are gold/platinum in protondb).

And many more stuff that works out of the box with windows. Overall, despite the issues, the experience is still positive and i'm not going back.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by threatripper »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #101
threatripper wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would rephrase this: The share of users who could work well with any of the operating systems is increasing. The fundamental differences between the operating systems that impact user experience are decreasing. I think 90-99% of users only use Browser+Office+Games which could work well in any of the big operating systems. Some software preferences are superficial and appropriate replacements exist on the other plat…

> I think 90-99% of users only use Browser+Office+Games which could work well in any of the big operating systems. Linux Desktop evangelists have been saying this sort of thing for about a decade now, only they used to exclude "games" from that list because Linux was so terrible as a game platform. Their constant underestimating of "average computer user" is, in my opinion, one of the big reasons they've completely a…

Just because it works well enough on other platforms doesn't mean that users will switch. Usually they won't. If they know MS Office and MS Windows from work they don't want to use LibreOffice in private. (And MS Office and MS Windows Server is far superior in the business context in many ways.)

I stopped caring what most people use. I prefer to use Linux and OpenSource software in general for myself but I don't push it onto others. It doesn't matter if the market share of Linux is 1%, 10% or 50% as long as it works for me - and it does.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by ubercow13 »

sen wrote: post #16
Taek wrote: post #2

I've been gaming on linux for almost a year now and I've had no issues at all. I've mainly been playing popular titles but Proton makes every game feel like it's a linux native game.

Regretfully most racing sims (and any other sims that use peripherals) are still a huge pain to get going, even with Proton. At most you can get the actual game "running" (with performance sacrifices over Windows), but you still won't get things like Force Feedback, and half your peripherals features probably won't work (or will work intermittently for no reason). I'd love nothing more than to never use Windows again…

I wonder how those force feedback wheels from different manufacturers all work on Windows, is there any kind of standardised API for that stuff? I had a brief look at sim racing peripherals on Windows and even there it seemed like each game you wanted to play had to support your specific model of wheel.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by fooqux »

robertlagrant wrote: post #219
fooqux wrote: post #198

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Why would a client need to know of such things? If the player can't / shouldn't know of something, then the client shouldn't either. There are some interesting repercussions of this train of thought though. Take an enemy hiding in brush in an FPS game. The player would have line of sight to their hiding spot, and current games (I think) just leave it to the player's eyeballs' ability to see them through the brush. Th…

> Why would a client need to know of such things? If the player can't / shouldn't know of something, then the client shouldn't either. Think about the case of seeing an enemy onscreen and headshotting them instantly.

I think you misunderstood my post, and considering the surprising number of downvotes on it, I wonder if others did too?

Can you explain further though? I don't understand your case. It sounds like an aimbot, which is what would be prevented by not sending the client more info than is needed.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by weare138 »

hn8788 wrote: post #194
weare138 wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is claiming all Windows games work yet. Why would you assume they did? https://www.protondb.com

Because some people are claiming that they all work, and Valve is saying that they plan to have every game working with Proton by the time Steam Deck releases. I've lost count of the amount of times I've seen people point to the "15.5k games work" number on protondb since the Steam Deck was announced, even though "15.5k games work" only requires a single person to say a game worked for them, and less than half of gam…

>Because some people are claiming that they all work

Who? Just go to that site. It's tells what's working and not working. It says right there on the front page only 50% of the games are currently rated gold. You can't really complain that something doesn't work when they're telling you it doesn't work.

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