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Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by Zambyte » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 1:02 PM UTC

aitchnyu wrote: post #136

Zhyl wrote: post #74

A headline in Linux gaming circles that hasn't hit the wider circuit yet (probably because it hasn't actually been delivered yet) is that Valve are working with Battleye and EAC to get anti-cheat working on Proton for the release of the steam deck. If this happens it will be, without exaggeration, the greatest thing to ever happen to Linux gaming. I'm not expecting a massive increase overnight, but it should mean tha…

Umm, is there anti-cheat that doesnt need a locked down OS and hardware? Dont understand what you are cheering for.

Yes, and the ones that don't have crazy requirements already work fine.

Unfortunately a lot of people don't care about running malware (see: the % of people who still use Windows). Lots of those people would be more likely to switch if they could run their malware on GNU/Linux.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by krageon » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 1:02 PM UTC

junon wrote: post #145

83457 wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct me if I'm wrong but my understanding is that those are anti-cheat clients that are required by many games to be able to play online. Not being able to run on Linux means the game will never see Linux adoption.

The trade-off is that you have literal malware on the machine that is controlled by a third party company that most likely doesn't have their security practices up to snuff.

The malware is there regardless, this is about Linux marketshare. You can dislike it (and I do) without gatekeeping your favourite operating system because people want to run software on it that you don't approve of.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by nottorp » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 1:03 PM UTC

Anyone knows if you can get absolute values for that 1%?

Couldn't find them on the steam survey page and I'm curious how many millions of PCs is 1%.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by AnonymousPlanet » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 1:03 PM UTC

terlisimo wrote: post #61

deltasixeight wrote: post #19

Just to be fair and balanced I'm a hardcore linux user and gamer and I've tried gaming on linux and I've hit many issues. 365 games on steam and while some windows games work I've hit probably just about every possible issue you can hit with other games. Graphical artifacts, freezing, stuttering, and even full OS reboots. Sometimes I read this thread and scratch my head. I get enthusiasm for FOSS, but enthusiasm to t…

> I get enthusiasm for FOSS, but enthusiasm to the point of delusion I see your point but consider this: 20 years ago you could make the same argument for all aspects of linux, not just gaming. Why use some hobby level OS for serious work when you have Solaris, HP-UX, AIX? Today we have a very usable Linux desktop and pretty much total dominance in the server arena, only because people were at one point "delusionally…

Less than 20 years ago, Windows was the hobby level OS compared to Solaris and AIX. Windows Server 2005 was a complete and utter joke compared to Solaris. The company I worked for in 2006 was moving their Solaris servers to Linux. Windows wasn't an option because it wouldn't even meet the specs in real life.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by edgyquant » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 1:05 PM UTC

foxhill wrote: post #14

i’ve been using linux as my daily driver for just over a year. steam on linux has been great, and proton (wine) has been indispensable. big title games i’ve played with _no_ issues at all: * Cyberpunk 2077 (ok that has issues, but it has the same issues for windows users..) * Dying Light * Titanfall * The Division along with _many_ other indie/small games. honestly the only thing left is titles that include invasive…

I’ve played Cyberpunk, Skyrim, Fallout 4, Halo Master the chief Collection (games 1, 2, 3 and Fall of Reach) plus EUIV and Stellaris just in the last year. I haven’t used windows since the vista era

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by krageon » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 1:06 PM UTC

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #111

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I have seen similar on Windows. Sure, but Windows is supported , so instead of going to a forum and being unhelpfully told to try a different distro, you can take up your issue with the developer and they're much more likely to pay attention. Granted, some of them still have shitty support, but you're a lot less likely to be dismissed out of hand.

> you can take up your issue with the developer and they're much more likely to pay attention. Outside of indie, is this something people actually (and successfully) do? For everyone I know the default assumption when a game doesn’t work is you’re SOL and either refund or hope for patches.

> is this something people actually (and successfully) do?

No. You fix it yourself, move on with your life or spend a few hours getting shit on by customer support and then move on. Videogames are an industry where you need to expect to be disrespected, because those companies do not care a whit about you.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by phendrenad2 » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 1:07 PM UTC

quijoteuniv wrote: post #6

vardump wrote: post #4

Nowadays OS matters pretty little. Personally, on some level, I don't even notice difference working macOS, Linux and Windows. Other than platform specific development work, it doesn't really matter in the big picture. Other than that, only Linux allows me true visibility to its innards. Fast to fix almost any issues, should they happen. And I say this as someone who has for example no problem debugging Windows kerne…

I think it matters a lot, specially on machines that are not that new, with modest resources

Maybe in developing countries this matters more, but RAM and SSD upgrades for older hardware are surprisingly affordable these days.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by jokethrowaway » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 1:07 PM UTC

fsloth wrote: post #77

deltasixeight wrote: post #19

Just to be fair and balanced I'm a hardcore linux user and gamer and I've tried gaming on linux and I've hit many issues. 365 games on steam and while some windows games work I've hit probably just about every possible issue you can hit with other games. Graphical artifacts, freezing, stuttering, and even full OS reboots. Sometimes I read this thread and scratch my head. I get enthusiasm for FOSS, but enthusiasm to t…

I don't understand why people insist on this shoehorning either. It's like some obscene tribal topos that refuses to die. KDE 1.0 came out in 1998 - 23 years ago (O god I'm old). The discussion of "Linux to replace windows desktop" is over two decades old. In computer age this is something geological. It's like... well, Macintosh came out in 1984. Xerox Alto came 1973. If we go back 5 years we reach Englebart's Mothe…

We don't collectively own engineers time, we are not under full blown socialism, yet and people are free to do what they want.

If individuals enjoy reverse engineering windows and making it work on Linux, that's great, actually I really need that. I wouldn't spend my time on it, but I'm sure I have equally suboptimal hobbies (from a "civilisation" point of view).

You don't get to spend someone else engineering effort.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by worldmerge » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 1:07 PM UTC

Zhyl wrote: post #74

A headline in Linux gaming circles that hasn't hit the wider circuit yet (probably because it hasn't actually been delivered yet) is that Valve are working with Battleye and EAC to get anti-cheat working on Proton for the release of the steam deck. If this happens it will be, without exaggeration, the greatest thing to ever happen to Linux gaming. I'm not expecting a massive increase overnight, but it should mean tha…

I really hope the work Valve is doing with Proton will help to get Office (no, the browser versions aren't a substitute), Adobe software and Touchdesigner working on Linux. I don't game, and would love to switch to Linux but I need those apps to work on it.

Re: Steam survey shows Linux marketshare hitting 1.0%

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Post by edgyquant » Mon, Aug 02, 2021, 1:07 PM UTC

nottorp wrote: post #148

foxhill wrote: post #14

i’ve been using linux as my daily driver for just over a year. steam on linux has been great, and proton (wine) has been indispensable. big title games i’ve played with _no_ issues at all: * Cyberpunk 2077 (ok that has issues, but it has the same issues for windows users..) * Dying Light * Titanfall * The Division along with _many_ other indie/small games. honestly the only thing left is titles that include invasive…

What hardware have you had that experience on? Probably going to build a new Linux box this year, and I'd like to pick hardware that's as hassle free for wine/proton as possible.

So far I’ve had no problem with my Ryzen+Nvidia 1660x.

I’d maybe try to find an AMD GPU but I bought one of those first but need tensorflow and AMDs GPU support for ML was almost non-existent.