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Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by dbt00 »

throwawayboise wrote: post #136
Spooky23 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vaccination doesn’t mean you cannot be infected, and cannot spread it once infected. It lowers the chances of infection and presentation of symptoms. So when your unvaccinated coworker exercises his selfish right to be stupid, you’re putting others at risk. The difference here is that your exposing your coworkers children and others who cannot be vaccinated to infection. We socially tolerate people like this who choo…

But we were told to get vaccinated to protect others. Get vaccinated so you can visit your grandparents. Now we are getting a different message. This is why people develop doubts that the authorities have any real idea what they are talking about.

"Being vaccinated isn't a perfect defense, but it reduces the risk to you of getting the disease, it drastically reduces the risk to you of dying from the disease or suffering long term life altering consequences from it, and it lowers the risk of you spreading it to others."

The general guidance hasn't changed. The risk to each other has gone up as Delta spreads, because it's more dangerous. There will probably be other dangerous variants given the huge breeding ground for the virus among the unvaccinated and immune compromised.

Get vaccinated, lower your risk, lower the risk to everyone around you and to the general population of the earth. (And it's incredibly harmless).

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by tolbish »

daenz wrote: post #76
tintor wrote: post #47

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Unclear how different is this from getting vaccinated as a child, giving blood sample for lab test as a child, and having your tooth removed as a child.

>as a child The parents consent for the child, because a child cannot give consent. As adults, only we can give consent for our bodies. As children, consent is delegated to the parents.

Doesn't every child get their DNA sampled and stored in most states if the parents want any hope of screening the baby against a variety of diseases?

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by target8123 »

imwillofficial wrote: post #64
raverbashing wrote: post #31

I can't blame Google for not wanting disease spreaders in their campus. It's their prerogative as a private company. Remains to be seen how companies that won't enforce this will perform. In my guess, poorly

As of now, everyone, included the vaccinated are still disease spreaders.

they are not same because vaccinated are less likely to be infected and hence less likely to spread disease.

every vaccinated person is 40% less likely of getting infected compared to unvaccinated. so if a person goes to office with vaccine mandate, they are 64% less likely of getting infected compared to no vaccine mandate.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by throwawayboise »

bluedevil2k wrote: post #14
sumeno wrote: post #10

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Religious most likely

Unfortunately, this loophole will negate the entire mandate.

No it won't.

My employer mandated vaccines. Exceptions for sincere religious belief or documented medical reasons. I didn't want the vaccine but I wasn't going to lie about having a legitimate religious reason for it. Some people will, but most people wont.

So I got the shot, but if I have any serious side effects I will certainly be contacting a personal injury attorney.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by rualca »

colechristensen wrote: post #125
nixpulvis wrote: post #35

It's honestly fascinating to me that this is going to be the way we meet Privacy vs Security face to face more broadly. Intrapersonally, they might go hand in hand, but in the group setting, they seem almost at direct odds. Security (or safety) requires some social contracts to be fulfilled. When these social contracts aren't enough we start to see polices and law take up the slack. Our existing privacy laws and regu…

HIPPA is absolutely not too strict, it has many fundamental holes which need to be plugged. I am vaccinated but the only place I am willing to prove it is at an airport or a medical facility. There is a developing liberty/security divide which is going very much in the direction of far too far. Going along with the irrational ways so many people talk about vaccination I am not willing to give up an inch of liberty to…

> No “papers please” to allow me to participate in normal society where the group in power gets to decide if I’m acceptable.

What are your thoughts on individuals contracting and spreading a disease that has killed millions already due to their refusal to comply with the most basic health and safety precautions?

Do you believe that someone's refusal to comply with basic sanitary precautions should take precedence over my and my family and loved one's desire to not die of a preventable disease?

And where do you draw the line in that refusal to comply with basic health and safety precautions? Do you also extend it to other viral diseases that are preventable by vaccination such as measles, or do you single out covid?

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by mmastrac »

throwawayboise wrote: post #135
nixpulvis wrote: post #108

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I've been drug tested for corporate programming jobs before. I wouldn't say it's the norm in our industry though and this may be even less common now, IDK. But I do feel like there's a distinction between a urine test and a vaccine, since it's impossible to have a negative reaction to a piss test. As a fully vaccinated individual, I still dislike the idea of having to disclose this fact. Not for any logical reason I…

If they can ask for your COVID vaccine status, they can ask for your other vaccines, your HIV status, they can ask for the results of your latest colonoscopy, your blood pressure, your blood sugar, all in the name of a "healthy workplace."

That sounds like the slippery slope fallacy. COVID is a wide- and fast-spreading, current risk to public health. You don't need to ask for more, because nothing else is in the same ballpark.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by [deleted] »

bialpio wrote: post #33
mbeattie wrote: post #19

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I’ve never had a job require me to prove those vaccines to come in.

They are required if you want to immigrate to the US [1], so I sure hope citizens-by-birth also have to follow similar rules. Maybe you don't need to prove anything because by default people would already either be vaccinated, or had to obtain an exemption? [1] https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-8-part-b-chapter-...

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Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by josh_today »

Today the entire state of New York had ZERO covid related deaths. Yet this week we saw NYC and State employees and now major private corporations mandate the vaccine.

For the record I will never disclosure my health status so don’t assume one way or another.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by throwawayboise »

belltaco wrote: post #120
aeneasmackenzie wrote: post #36

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“Condemn us all to death”? COVID has like a 1% fatality rate concentrated entirely in the elderly and the unhealthy (damaged immune system, obese, …) you are overreacting.

Nowhere near entirely. Not to mention diminished brain health issues, quality of life decreases due to loss of smell, fatigue, long covid etc.

All also rare and not much different from similar effects of other viral infections such as the flu.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by throwawayboise »

colechristensen wrote: post #128
dtwest wrote: post #81

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Being stuck working at Google or Facebook is a bit different than being stuck in a concentration camp from the perspective of consent don't you think? I'm not belittling the discussion that our society must have about what can or can't be mandated by an employer. However, I doubt the above quote was created in the context of high paying tech jobs, they were focused on the forced experimentation that occurred in WW2.

If you have a mortgage and a child, do you really have the freedom to say “no” when something becomes a condition of your continued employment? Corporations, very much including google, are becoming defacto governments having a huge control in the flow of information and have threads weaved in to all of our lives. You can’t just give them a pass to do anything they want just because they’re technically not government…

You have the freedom to say no, but it is certainly into the territority of "duress"
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