I can't blame Google for not wanting disease spreaders in their campus. It's their prerogative as a private company.
Remains to be seen how companies that won't enforce this will perform. In my guess, poorly
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Exactly -- people are still free to not get vaccinated, but they're not free to go to aggregate settings where they might infect everyone there, which seems like a reasonable compromise. It's the same approach as with antivax parents -- don't want your kids vaccinated? Then you'll need to homeschool them.
But if others are already vaccinated, how does an unvaccinated coworker infect a vaccinated coworker?
What if there are many unvaccinated in between the vaccinated?
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I hope so
I’ve never had a job require me to prove those vaccines to come in.
They are required if you want to immigrate to the US [1], so I sure hope citizens-by-birth also have to follow similar rules. Maybe you don't need to prove anything because by default people would already either be vaccinated, or had to obtain an exemption?
[1] https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-8-part-b-chapter-...
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"They can still take the bus but they must sit in the back" I'm getting downvoted but people who refuse to get vaccinated tend to be poor and minorities. And who can blame them for not wanting the government injecting a needle inside their body given the US history? PS: I'm not antivax by any means, I got my two shots.
I'm trying to think how this could be even close to the same situation. I realize it's hard to believe I'm not being snarky, but I'm legitimately asking. How is this similar to segregation based on skin color?
Religious convictions, lack of trust, fear of getting an experimental vaccine (which it is under the laws they were authorized and developed). To answer to your question, those things are very hard to change although not at hard as race.
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#35It's honestly fascinating to me that this is going to be the way we meet Privacy vs Security face to face more broadly. Intrapersonally, they might go hand in hand, but in the group setting, they seem almost at direct odds.
Security (or safety) requires some social contracts to be fulfilled. When these social contracts aren't enough we start to see polices and law take up the slack. Our existing privacy laws and regulations (e.g. HIPPA compliance) could be argued to be too strict, whereas at the same time, we're in an age of spyware / ad-tracking which is in dire need of curtailment.
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#36oh snap. I totally understand this measure and, for the record, agree with it, but I'm picturing the pushback that this will lead to.
Fuck the pushback. We cannot let the worst of mankind condemn us all to death because we don’t want to upset the worst of mankind.
“Condemn us all to death”? COVID has like a 1% fatality rate concentrated entirely in the elderly and the unhealthy (damaged immune system, obese, …) you are overreacting.
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Fuck the pushback. We cannot let the worst of mankind condemn us all to death because we don’t want to upset the worst of mankind.
I’m all for getting everyone vaccinated as well, but I’d be really concerned about the precedent this sets. The reasons governments are reluctant to do this is they it sets a precedent for them to dictate what a person can do with their bodies. Saying someone must have an injection, regardless of how well intentioned it is, requires you to be able to dictate what goes into their body. Pretty much the same set of powe…
Unclear how different this is from the draft.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly -- people are still free to not get vaccinated, but they're not free to go to aggregate settings where they might infect everyone there, which seems like a reasonable compromise. It's the same approach as with antivax parents -- don't want your kids vaccinated? Then you'll need to homeschool them.
But if others are already vaccinated, how does an unvaccinated coworker infect a vaccinated coworker?
- Vaccines aren't 100% efficient
- Lots of people cannot get vaccinated due to medical reasons
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
"They can still take the bus but they must sit in the back" I'm getting downvoted but people who refuse to get vaccinated tend to be poor and minorities. And who can blame them for not wanting the government injecting a needle inside their body given the US history? PS: I'm not antivax by any means, I got my two shots.
I'm trying to think how this could be even close to the same situation. I realize it's hard to believe I'm not being snarky, but I'm legitimately asking. How is this similar to segregation based on skin color?
Not the GP, but I'm imagining that they meant that in the same way the 'War on Drugs' was not discrimination based on skin color, it had a disproportinate impact on African-American communities (which for all accounts was by design).
Lower socioeconomic communities have poorer access to vaccinations and lower rates of vaccination.
Just because something does not claim to discriminate by race, does not make it true. Measures to segregate the unvaccinated WILL impact lower socioeconomic communities more than middle class communities.