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Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by abeyer »

mbeattie wrote: post #11
FreakyT wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly -- people are still free to not get vaccinated, but they're not free to go to aggregate settings where they might infect everyone there, which seems like a reasonable compromise. It's the same approach as with antivax parents -- don't want your kids vaccinated? Then you'll need to homeschool them.

Does this apply to the flu, varicella, meningitis, etc as well?

Several of those are essentially required to get a university degree already... so for many people I'm not sure an additional requirement would significantly help things, but it also couldn't hurt.

Less transmission of disease in the office would be a good thing as we return.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by chitowneats »

FreakyT wrote: post #9
epicureanideal wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if others are already vaccinated, how does an unvaccinated coworker infect a vaccinated coworker?

IIRC, unvaccinated are more likely to get infected and also typically have higher viral loads, which corresponds to higher infectiousness.

This contradicts the latest science from the CDC:

https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/experts-back-cd...

"The CDC has found, however, that in rare breakthrough infections — instances where a fully vaccinated person tests positive for the virus — the amount of virus in that vaccinated person's system is similar to the viral load in an infected individual who is unvaccinated."

One could be forgiven though for not being up to date on the latest oscillation.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by d4mi3n »

DrBenCarson wrote: post #16
rantwasp wrote: post #2

oh snap. I totally understand this measure and, for the record, agree with it, but I'm picturing the pushback that this will lead to.

Fuck the pushback. We cannot let the worst of mankind condemn us all to death because we don’t want to upset the worst of mankind.

I’m all for getting everyone vaccinated as well, but I’d be really concerned about the precedent this sets.

The reasons governments are reluctant to do this is they it sets a precedent for them to dictate what a person can do with their bodies.

Saying someone must have an injection, regardless of how well intentioned it is, requires you to be able to dictate what goes into their body. Pretty much the same set of powers that would dictate the old pro-life vs pro-choice debate.

I’m greatly conflicted. I want people vaccinated, but I personally do not like the idea of giving up bodily autonomy to do so.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by Justin_Time »

bananabiscuit wrote: post #4
standardUser wrote: post #3

To be perfectly clear, they are mandating employees be vaccinated if they want to physically go in to an office, not to do (or keep) their jobs.

But Google is also planning on requiring people to go back to the office starting September. You can apply for a transfer to a remote position, but that requires that there be a remote position available for you to take and then finding it and matching into it. So yeah, sounds like unless you are already remote, they are requiring you take the vaccine in order to keep your job.

As mentioned in the article, this date is being pushed back to (at least) mid-October.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by penny4yourthot »

TeeMassive wrote: post #18
standardUser wrote: post #3

To be perfectly clear, they are mandating employees be vaccinated if they want to physically go in to an office, not to do (or keep) their jobs.

"They can still take the bus but they must sit in the back" I'm getting downvoted but people who refuse to get vaccinated tend to be poor and minorities. And who can blame them for not wanting the government injecting a needle inside their body given the US history? PS: I'm not antivax by any means, I got my two shots.

I'm trying to think how this could be even close to the same situation.

I realize it's hard to believe I'm not being snarky, but I'm legitimately asking. How is this similar to segregation based on skin color?

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by danans »

sumeno wrote: post #10
endianswap wrote: post #8

> We will have a process for those who cannot be vaccinated for medical or other reasons What might "other reasons" be?

Religious most likely

Though very few religions oppose vaccines:

https://slate.com/technology/2015/02/religious-exemption-for...

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by abeyer »

bluedevil2k wrote: post #14
sumeno wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Religious most likely

Unfortunately, this loophole will negate the entire mandate.

It will be abused, but hopefully at least some people might feel ashamed at such abuse and not go through with it when they have to do so on an individual basis.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by throwaway199998 »

DrBenCarson wrote: post #16
rantwasp wrote: post #2

oh snap. I totally understand this measure and, for the record, agree with it, but I'm picturing the pushback that this will lead to.

Fuck the pushback. We cannot let the worst of mankind condemn us all to death because we don’t want to upset the worst of mankind.

Even the worst of mankind are much better than the subhuman, subrational, worthless animal you are.

Subhuman animals like you are going to pay for this bs.

Re: Google and Facebook mandate vaccines for employees at U.S. offices

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Post by chitowneats »

Justin_Time wrote: post #25
bananabiscuit wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Google is also planning on requiring people to go back to the office starting September. You can apply for a transfer to a remote position, but that requires that there be a remote position available for you to take and then finding it and matching into it. So yeah, sounds like unless you are already remote, they are requiring you take the vaccine in order to keep your job.

As mentioned in the article, this date is being pushed back to (at least) mid-October.

At which point you will be dismissed if you have not found and secured a remote position within the company. That part of the policy has not changed. Until they announce it has we should assume they are intending to follow though.
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