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PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by underseacables »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #33
busymom0 wrote: post #30

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Home built PC's are a threat to our democracy. They endanger minorities and are a National Security Threat. They must be strictly regulated and all such weapons of war must go through a 6 month delay period, 21 year old age minimum, licensing, background checks and must be registered with the federal government. Cosmetic features like RGB lighting or mice which improve targeting of the on screen cursor must be banned…

“Home built PCs allow the use of crypto mining software and cryptocurrencies, which facilitate tax evasion and money laundering. We haven’t had this problem on computers which require signing… “ - Future Senator

I have my mining rigs going 24 seven. Luckily we have very cheap electricity and it’s proving to be quite profitable.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by underseacables »

ppcar wrote: post #53
ppcar wrote: post #15

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Horrifying. Also: "This PC cannot authenticate to your ISP because the ability to run unsigned code makes it an environmental and digital weapon."

The freedoms of collaboration over the Internet can taken away with: 1. widespread trusted computing (we're close) 2. banning encrypted comms over unregulated spectrums (done) 3. political will to ban such freedoms (growing) How can those that prefer such freedoms preserve them? Political activism can. Can censorship resistant tech help in that situation? Plausibly deniable mesh networks? Sneakernet?

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Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by mcswell »

neolog wrote: post #147
cbozeman wrote: post #69

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Automakers shouldn't be caring about gas mileage. YOU should. If you want to drive a 50 MPG Prius, do it. If you want to drive a 12 MPG PowerStroke Diesel V-10 Ford F-350, do it.

> Automakers shouldn't be caring about gas mileage. YOU should. I'm not an expert in cars, automakers are. They can do a better job.

I doubt the engineers can do a significantly better job, given the technology they have to work with; it's not their fault. Everyone could be tooling around in 60mpg Priuses, but they--the drivers--choose not to. (Disclaimer, I drive a Prius.) And if Ford, Chevy, Toyota, Hyundai, Kia and all but one of the other car companies announced that they'd only make Prius-equivalents starting next year, the one remaining ordinary car company would eat their lunches.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by jeroenhd »

abz10 wrote: post #110

Years ago I bought a tiny hockey puck sized computer to act as an internal web server. AFAIK there seemed to be no way for me to prevent it from going to sleep, I presume it was due to a similar regulation. This one from the EU. Had to throw the thing out. I’m not looking forward to having to fight hardware / software locks on my computer that make it go to sleep all the time.

I've never heard of any power regulation like that in the EU. Any idea what directive that might even be from?

Edit: looks like 617/2013. Weird that I've never heard about this. This is about total power consumption per year though, so that thing would probably either be inefficient as hell or misclassified for some reason. None of the sleep mode regulations should apply to your case.

Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption

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Post by floatingatoll »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #93
kccqzy wrote: post #36

Just want to remind everyone how far California has gone in energy efficiency: > In 2018, California's energy consumption was second-highest among the states, but its per capita energy consumption was the fourth-lowest due in part to its mild climate and its energy efficiency programs. Source: https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=CA#tabs-4 This is an achievement to be proud of.

> This is an achievement to be proud of. I mean I'm all for reducing power consumption, but is having a mild climate an achievement to be proud of? I'd guess that California's main population centers have fewer degree days away from 72 F than any other state in the country. By default, you'd expect their power consumption to be the very lowest. (The other states close to CA in consumption per capita have much worse c…

It’s not looking like a mild climate anymore, if that offers any comfort.

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Post by smsm42 »

wumpus wrote: post #172
smsm42 wrote: post #141

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This Dell PC probably has as much to do with Silicon Valley as Tesla has with Detroit.

"AMD Ryzen 5000 series CPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 30-series graphics." One wonders where you think these chips were designed? I used to live between the AMD and NVIDIA campuses.

I'm pretty sure California has yet to ban AMD CPUs and NVIDIA graphics cards, though it would be pretty funny, of course.

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Post by Drunk_Engineer »

parsecs wrote: post #180
techrat wrote: post #122

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Buy a 40 Watt Inscandescent light bulb and put it in a lamp next to your current laptop. Turn it on every time you put the laptop to sleep. Same difference.

That sounds pretty legal to me, however..

Incandescent light bulbs are generally illegal now.

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Post by thaumasiotes »

throwaway984393 wrote: post #146
ineedasername wrote: post #128

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High energy prices have probably done a lot to incentivize lower consumption & efficiency. But mild climate does still give it an unfair advantage if trying to compare it apples to apples with other states. South eastern states are always going to eat a huge chunk of Watt Hours in air conditioning, and in some states many people have little choice but to use electric heat or furnaces. I'd be very interested in state-…

It might not be that California has an unfair advantage, but that southern states have an unfair disadvantage. If southern states spike their watt hours due to aircon, we could say the cause is poor construction/architecture. The poorer the insulation (southern homes' insulation is crap compared to northern) the more you need to pump the aircon. And when homes are not designed for optimal environmental efficiency or…

> (All this also assumes that aircon is some sort of human right. We could learn how to deal with heat without power, the way we had to for the past 300,000 years)

Well, sure, except that the way we dealt with the climate of the American South before air conditioning was by not living there. That is a major reason the South, and not the North, had so many slaves.

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Post by throwaway984393 »

josephcsible wrote: post #178
throwaway984393 wrote: post #158

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Ice cream consumption does not cause drowning.

Laws are enacted by politicians, so when talking about dumb laws, it's relevant to mention which politicians are in charge.

Blaming a group of people is a lot more convenient than trying to find evidence to support a theory. But whether an answer is convenient has nothing to do with whether it is correct. When people jump to conclusions, they might be right, but not because jumping to conclusions is inherently more correct.

Or, to put another way: only an idiot would suggest that a complex subject like the energy policy of a small handful of states in an incredibly large country with wide-ranging economic and environmental factors is solely due to the generic political group that currently makes up their majority.

Why do we have to keep re-establishing the basics of cognition and critical thinking? Did these commenters not go to school, yet somehow found their way to HN? Are they trolls? Is it just more fun to speculate stupidly? Is "low effort thinking" some kind of meme now?

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Post by tdeck »

throwaway984393 wrote: post #146
ineedasername wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

High energy prices have probably done a lot to incentivize lower consumption & efficiency. But mild climate does still give it an unfair advantage if trying to compare it apples to apples with other states. South eastern states are always going to eat a huge chunk of Watt Hours in air conditioning, and in some states many people have little choice but to use electric heat or furnaces. I'd be very interested in state-…

It might not be that California has an unfair advantage, but that southern states have an unfair disadvantage. If southern states spike their watt hours due to aircon, we could say the cause is poor construction/architecture. The poorer the insulation (southern homes' insulation is crap compared to northern) the more you need to pump the aircon. And when homes are not designed for optimal environmental efficiency or…

Heating is much more energy intensive than cooling (unless you have a heat pump, aren't particularly common in the U.S). Air conditioning consumes a lot of electrical power in comparison to heating, but if we're counting overall energy efficiency it seems like darker, colder northern climates should have a disadvantage.
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