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PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
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Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
#22This is like banning a Bugatti Veyron (worldwide production about 30 per year) because the gas mileage is too low. Priceless Puritans.
I see your point but wonder if the legislation that bans these specifically mention computers or just any electronic device that draws more than XXXX watts per hour.
It's specifically aimed at various classes of computers and computer equipment. It is not for any electronic device.
Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
#23Relevant link: https://www.energy.ca.gov/programs-and-topics/programs/appli... (expand the section titled Computers)
Can someone ELI5 this please?
Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
#24Anyone know the actual rules? Is it a hard limit on the amount of power a home computer can consume, or is it something more subtle like a limit on the power when its idling?
https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Document/IEEDE2D64EF7B4F168...
ctrl+f for Desktop. It looks pretty complicated upon first glance.
Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
#25https://www.engadget.com/2016-09-11-california-pc-energy-sta...
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-computer-efficienc...
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/cec-energy-efficienc...
I haven't found a lot of information about this, but it appears that this is about idle power draw in electronics. I've been seeing a few things say that they they aren't California Title 20 compliant (like lightbulbs).
https://www.energy.ca.gov/rules-and-regulations/appliance-ef...
Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a $1100 computer, not a $2M car.
It makes a lot more sense to ban a car (regardless of price) for polluting the environment we all breathe and contributing to global warming, than it does to ban a computer that uses power the end user pays for by the kilowatt.
Car end-users pay for petroleum too.
Anyway the laptop is probably not actually banned. Dell's probably trying to hit a threshold for eco tax benefits or something.
Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a $1100 computer, not a $2M car.
It makes a lot more sense to ban a car (regardless of price) for polluting the environment we all breathe and contributing to global warming, than it does to ban a computer that uses power the end user pays for by the kilowatt.
> It makes a lot more sense to ban a car (regardless of price) for polluting the environment we all breathe and contributing to global warming, than it does to ban a computer that uses power the end user pays for by the kilowatt.
What? That makes no sense. Unless you're off the grid and using solar - where do you think the electricity from your outlets comes from?
People still pay for the car and the gas - just like you do for the electricity that is result of work that pumps shit into the air too.
Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
#28This is like banning a Bugatti Veyron (worldwide production about 30 per year) because the gas mileage is too low. Priceless Puritans.
I see your point but wonder if the legislation that bans these specifically mention computers or just any electronic device that draws more than XXXX watts per hour.
It does not matter. The correct way to reduce electricity consumption is to increase the price of electricity, aka a tax. No need for politicians to selectively pick and choose which products to gimp.
For those who will retort with “but those are regressive taxes and hurt the poor”, I will say that if you want to fix people being poor, then give them cash. It is unrelated to the goals of reducing electricity usage, and there is no need to mix the two.
For those who will say there is no money to give poor people cash, I will say that the difficult task of enacting even more wealth transfers is the only solution there.
Edit: It is the same exact thing with fuel efficiency in cars and gas taxes. There is no need for CAFE standards or mandated fuel efficiency if a simple gas tax was ratcheted up until usage dropped. Then we would not have pickup trucks twice the size they were 20 years ago consuming even more gas.
Of course this does not happen, because it is politically unpopular to enact legislation that broadly forces people to lower consumption. So we end up with these discriminatory band aids where you get screwed if you do not have sufficient political clout.
Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
#29I found this document published by Intel which has all sorts of technical information about "CEC Friendly Motherboards" that appears to describe the regulatory framework that rules out sale of certain computers to customers in those six states, https://processormatch.intel.com/Resources/Program%20for%20C....
Re: PC can't be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA due to power consumption
#3020 years from now: “This PC cannot be shipped to CA, CO, HI, OR, VT or WA because the ability to run unsigned code makes it an environmental and digital weapon.”
Home built PC's will be considered "ghost computers" and will also be banned.
Home built PC's are a threat to our democracy. They endanger minorities and are a National Security Threat. They must be strictly regulated and all such weapons of war must go through a 6 month delay period, 21 year old age minimum, licensing, background checks and must be registered with the federal government. Cosmetic features like RGB lighting or mice which improve targeting of the on screen cursor must be banned for all citizens. And the RAM must be limited to 8GB only because no normal person needs more than that. Thousands of kids get addicted to computer gaming each year. We must implement common-sense PC control to save lives.