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Post by mikepurvis »

mumblemumble wrote: post #468
tomxor wrote: post #345

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> In a universe where you want high-performance energy efficient RAM [.....] You simply can’t have this with socketed RAM. You make it sound like a prerequisite. I'm pretty sure the reason LPDDR is Low Power is not due to (currently) being unavailable in socketed modules - that would seem to be a side-effect of the original target market (smart phones). They are just some BGA packages, I see no reason they couldn't b…

I've never done anything beyond amateur electronics, so sorry if I'm way off base here, but it at least seems intuitively plausible to me that soldering the components to the board allows them to work reliably at lower power. With a pin and socket connection, you've got to try and be at least reasonably resistant to corrosion or other sources of less-than-perfect connection. That said, I don't know that RAM chips are…

Up until relatively recently, a lot of laptops and even phones would put the connectors on separate PCBs connected by a ribbon, so that damaging those wouldn't mean a $500 motherboard replacement.

I definitely remember ordering a replacement headphone socket board for an old MacBook and just putting it in myself, and I've done similar with, eg, the connector port board on a PS4 controller.

But I guess this is one of the hazards of Apple having their AppleCare programme— they can do the math and calculate that saving a dollar on the cost of making and mounting and connecting that extra component still makes them money even if they have to eat the occasional full motherboard in the first three years of ownership.

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Post by bitL »

geophile wrote: post #37
nrp wrote: post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

Why a 3:2 display? That is an extremely odd choice. I used 4:3 displays for years, and was very pleased when wider displays became available.

3:2 is great for coding. I've just started using 3:2 Zenbook S UX393 3300x2200 and that screen ratio is phenomenal!

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Post by nrp »

skavi wrote: post #240
nrp wrote: post #48

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1) We can't announce anything yet, but our current 13.5" Framework Laptop will certainly not be the last product we ever build! 2) See question 1. 3) We've designed the bezel to be color customizable, and there are some photos of orange and white ones on our website. We'll be adding more colors as we go. For the chassis itself, it is anodized aluminum. We don't currently have plans for additional aluminum colors thou…

Could the current model have TB4 enabled via software? Is everything there on the hardware side?

We have the hardware for it, but until we can complete certification, we can’t claim Thunderbolt compatibility.

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Post by [deleted] »

ribit wrote: post #492
rthomas6 wrote: post #463

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It is if it's a standard that everyone decides to support...

That's the thing, who is everyone? Such technology would only be relevant to premium-level ultraportable notebooks. Desktops, gaming laptops as well as budget laptops would stick with the cheaper and more ubiquitous DDR. Smartphones and tables will continue to solder RAM on due to space constraints. Apple (who is the driving force in this market segment) won't be interested since they are going fully custom and I dou…

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Post by hnbad »

michalf6 wrote: post #341
ddalex wrote: post #317

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> a 100WH battery a hand grenade typically releases 250kJ, or about 70Wh you're asking for the equivalent of 1.5 grenades in your lap :)

Is it any worse than having 0.75 of a hand grenade on your lap? If it starts to smoke, you throw it away all the same. Besides, this capacity is standard in larger laptops, but not in smaller ones for some strange reason.

> If it starts to smoke, you throw it away all the same.

No. If it starts to smoke, you commit & push --force, then you throw it away.

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Post by bhupy »

Koshkin wrote: post #489
d--b wrote: post #484

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Well, I am not an Apple devotee, and I think that what you say is generally right. But Apple releasing M1 laptops kind of changed the game...

Well, I am not an Apple devotee, either; moreover, my impression has been that, unlike IBM or Microsoft or Sun, neither Apple itself nor any of its products have so far made any impact on my life or work whatsoever. I may well be wrong, but I am not even sure if anything was much different had Apple never existed in the first place.

> I am not even sure if anything was much different had Apple never existed in the first place.

https://cdn.redmondpie.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/phones...

https://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/tablets-...

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Post by least »

vimacs2 wrote: post #429
morganvachon wrote: post #416

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> Dell, HP, Lenovo, even Fujitsu-Siemens have been making thin laptops with upgradable RAM for years now (XPS, X1 Carbon ... You're just throwing names out there without even knowing what you're talking about. The very first generation X1 Carbon came with soldered RAM and no upgrade path, and that hasn't changed yet. I know this because I've owned several generations of that laptop. I just checked Wikipedia to back u…

I would point out though that while he might have been wrong on the X1 Carbon, you still have not really dismantled the key argument - that you don't need to embrace soldered RAM to get laptops that are thin enough . At a certain point, you're just going to end up with an experience that is objectively worse since keyboards start having more and more give the thinner you make them (not to mention far worse feel). I'd…

> I'd make the trade off for more mm of thickness anyway.

That's great, then you can buy this modular laptop or one of many laptops that still has user upgradeable ram. Turns out you don't have to make this compromise if you don't want to and people that do can also make their own choice!

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Post by nrp »

jagged-chisel wrote: post #389
bmsleight_ wrote: post #279

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Customise the order and there is an bring your own OS option.

> You can also load your own operating system later, like a Linux distribution. Yeah, but I’d rather not pay for that Windows license. Edit: Oh, I see that you have to DIY the entire laptop in order to NOT select a Windows OS.

That is correct, DIY Edition comes without an OS installed or an OS license (though you can add a Windows license).

We’ve made the setup process for the DIY Edition really straightforward, and we think kind of fun too: https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Framework+Laptop+DIY+Edition...

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Post by nrp »

sjogress wrote: post #415
nrp wrote: post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

I must say the Framework laptop is a very enticing offering! Do you plan on offering it in Scandinavia with Scandinavian keyboard layouts?

We do have artwork ready for several Scandinavian keyboard layouts. The actual timing for each county will be later this year or next year.
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