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Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by doublerabbit »

meowface wrote: post #419
doublerabbit wrote: post #24

Anecdotal however cannabis has many compounds, The two main ones are: THC and CBD. If your using a strain that has high THC and not much in CBD. CBD being the compound to safe-guard, governor the effects of THC you end up in a trip that can spiral out of control causing negative effects. If you add a CBD strain to the mix. Which are high in CBD and contain trace amounts of THC to your normal method usage, these tend…

>-- Edit: I have my own downvote brigade. Yay - Just seems odd that every post I post on HN gets down-voted. Respectfully, I think it may largely be because your post has many odd grammar and spelling errors, and a confusing sentence and paragraph structure. As a result, the post is difficult and awkward to read. I don't think the downvotes have much to do with the actual content of the post. The content of everythin…

The additional parts that I could comprehend as strange would be the part where spiral off to and explain what CBD is. "CBD is the governor.." I did that for users who may not be familiar with cannabis. and a "," and a stray capital letter after a comma and a few words. Drat, I see them now. I can see that now. I am always happy to correct my mistakes and I do normally double check, edit, reconstruct.

However if that is truly reason of down-votes and, I will admit some of my comments have been lack-luster contain down-votes, understandably. I do have a learning-disability in English then that's act of discrimination in a way. I can't call upon on those who do and so if the down-votes are truly "I can't read your text and I am not going to bother to put effort in to trying to understand, I am down-voting." is very petty of the user.

However I do not think it's grammatical errors at all. It feels too coincidental, but you could be correct and if that is, then I'll work on it. Thank you for the input.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by mjbeswick »

exporectomy wrote: post #355
dmos62 wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same experience with a (art) therapist in a mental hospital (less than 1500 beds). Very persistent in asserting that weed causes some people to end up there. I don't think it's a good argument against legalization. We don't ban alcohol, because there are alcoholics. I think it would be smarter to regulate the recreational drug industry and use its taxes to fund relevant education, research and mental health programme…

Islam bans alcohol, but it also requires praying 5 times a day and usually a lot of going to Mosque with other Muslims and a general belief of unity and being in a common struggle against enemy types. I wonder if all that cultural stuff protects people from common psychological problems which they might otherwise try to stifle with alcohol. I think alcoholism is often a coping mechanism for some other psychological p…

While religion may fill the spiritual needs that some people seem to have, and on the surface is pretty harmless; it can be extremely harmful to people that have mental health problems.

Take someone that suffers from paranoid schizophrenia; telling them God speaks to people and that they should obey him can have dire consequences! I've see this problem first hand, so I'm not just speculating.

People throughout history have claimed to be profits; but unless they are a fraud, it's far more likely that the voices they hear auditory hallucinations associated with schizophrenia!

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by mjbeswick »

stevev wrote: post #100
hereforphone wrote: post #2

I can only speak from personal experience, which is of course limited. I smoked occasionally in my 20s, but not since (I'm middle-aged now). I've been friends and acquaintances with many people that smoke a lot. I see a trend among these people - not necessarily schizophrenia (I'm not a psychologist and probably wouldn't even notice a mild case) - but instead a consistent arrogance and self-importance. It's peculiar…

My experience is opposite. My experience with cannabis use using a simple activity. Sober, I can clean my office without much thinking and if I had to repeatedly do it, I’d probably do it the same fashion every time. On cannabis, I’m able to see what I believe to be the more or most efficient way of cleaning my office, garage and rooms. I could probably come up with a few ways or road maps for doing so. I don’t know…

I imagine that's just perception; as in reality cannabis impairs cognitive functions such as motor control, and problem solving.

On the other hand, Amphetamines would definitely help you clean your office more efficiently; but you wouldn't want to stop there!

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by 0xdeadb00f »

warent wrote: post #3

This would not surprise me at all. But I'm curious to know if they got the causation backwards. Maybe people with schizophrenia just have a higher likelihood of smoking marijuana

Can I ask a follow up question; how would a study similar to eones like this one rule out getting their causation backwards?

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by fennecfoxy »

exporectomy wrote: post #355
dmos62 wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same experience with a (art) therapist in a mental hospital (less than 1500 beds). Very persistent in asserting that weed causes some people to end up there. I don't think it's a good argument against legalization. We don't ban alcohol, because there are alcoholics. I think it would be smarter to regulate the recreational drug industry and use its taxes to fund relevant education, research and mental health programme…

Islam bans alcohol, but it also requires praying 5 times a day and usually a lot of going to Mosque with other Muslims and a general belief of unity and being in a common struggle against enemy types. I wonder if all that cultural stuff protects people from common psychological problems which they might otherwise try to stifle with alcohol. I think alcoholism is often a coping mechanism for some other psychological p…

Religion doesn't have an amazing history when it comes to gay people, along with plenty of other things.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by giantg2 »

oblib wrote: post #406
giantg2 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"One of her doctors insisted the cause was marijuana..." "I knew for sure he was wrong, but he refused to even consider it... [even with family history]." I have seen stuff like this a few times, and it is usually the sign of a bad doctor. If there isn't a positive test for something and you're ignoring other evidence, how can you say it absolutely is one thing or the other. This is extremely common with vaccines whe…

I agree with what you're saying. It's kind of hard to excuse not taking the time to know the risks though. And in this case (covid) I've noticed a very interesting common line of thought. Over and over I've been told on FB "There a 99.5% chance you'll survive" by those who've refused to get vaxxed. (I live near the nation's latest hot spot, Branson, MO). It's really been closer to a 98% survival rate here and if you…

"It's really been closer to a 98% survival rate here"

I thought this varies widely by age group, sex, and comorbidities? For example, a 30 year old man has a 99.97% chance of survival. And this doesn't even account for comorbidities. Now 3 in 10k is still a relatively large risk, but nowhere near 1 in 50. So the value proposition varies greatly by age group and risk factors, including lifestyle risk factors like WFH v in the office.

For example, I was invited to diner at a restaurant by my in-laws. We had eaten outside there before, so I assumed that was happening again (or I would have declined). Instead they got there first and got an indoor seat for some unknown reason. The vaccine is about 95% effective at preventing serious infection and death. My father in law is in an age group with mortality rates about 4% (and be has multiple comorbidities). He started lecturing me about how I need a vaccine NOW when his risk of dying even with the vaccine was multiple times higher than mine (5%x4%=.2% v .03%).

Now that was months ago, and I planned on getting my vaccination later when more data was available right before going back to the office (in the process now), where I would essentially be guaranteed to contract the virus if I didn't. My strategy seems to have worked for me since we are now learning the J&J vaccine might not be as effective as the others against delta and I was also able to view the VAERS data, as shoddy as it may be, for specific events in my age group to select the vaccine with lower rates (Pfizer).

"Still, the risk of vaccines has been both downplayed and exaggerated and it's kind of saddening to see how sides have been taken by our popular news media sources here in the U.S. and the divisiveness that's caused."

I completely agree.

"I think we've all had the opportunity to fully understand the risks with the corona virus vaccines if we wanted to look into it."

I agree on short term risks. There is one area that I couldn't find much info on - autoimmune conditions. My concern is that these conditions can take years to show up in many cases. We are using our own cells to grow the spike, so what happens if our immune system keys off other proteins that still exist on the cell in addition to the spike protein? It appears that severe covid infection generates higher numbers of autoimmune antibodies than the general population, so there is some risk of that even if one is not vaccinated. There just really isn't much info out there on this.

https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatalit...

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by SquishyPanda23 »

oblib wrote: post #393
SquishyPanda23 wrote: post #386

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "some folks" include the scientists who actually study this. But good job cherry picking a study. Hope it makes you feel better.

To fair and accurate I cherry picked TWO studies You didn't cite or include a link to even one. You just tossed a load of bullshit here and hoped it would stick. By the way... one of those cherry picked links goes to Scientific American's website. Hard to do better than that even if you are picking cherries.

You have the power to search for "cannabis iq" and find the literature.

Generally I expect some basic scientific literacy on HN. But of course I should have learned by now to expect science denialism when ego is at stake.

If you want a concrete source look at any of the studies that cite the twin studies, including the meta-analysis from this year.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/psychological-medici...

Scientific American is not a peer reviewed publication. They are science journalism and they aren't even particularly careful about their analysis. They posted an article in 2017 claiming cannabis might make you smarter:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/marijuana-may-boo...

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by antihero »

pmoriarty wrote: post #339
antihero wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always found that psychedelics are a far far different experience than THC, do you have anything to back this up other than "they both make you sorta hallucinate"?

The psychedelic effects of pot usually come from using edibles or smoking high potency preparations like hash. The effects also vary from person to person, and even in the same person at different stages of their life.

Hash is high potency?! I've always found it proper mild.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by dmos62 »

exporectomy wrote: post #355
dmos62 wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same experience with a (art) therapist in a mental hospital (less than 1500 beds). Very persistent in asserting that weed causes some people to end up there. I don't think it's a good argument against legalization. We don't ban alcohol, because there are alcoholics. I think it would be smarter to regulate the recreational drug industry and use its taxes to fund relevant education, research and mental health programme…

Islam bans alcohol, but it also requires praying 5 times a day and usually a lot of going to Mosque with other Muslims and a general belief of unity and being in a common struggle against enemy types. I wonder if all that cultural stuff protects people from common psychological problems which they might otherwise try to stifle with alcohol. I think alcoholism is often a coping mechanism for some other psychological p…

I agree that there's a lack of understanding for how to deal with the subtle aspects of a human, but I don't think that religion is a good solution. We need lucidity. I believe that most religions had that in the beginning, but centuries passed and clear-sightedness eroded to dogma and ritual. Opium of the people is a heavy handed comment, but there's truth in it. I do think, however, that if you don't take religious discourse at face value, there's a lot to be learned from it.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by dcolkitt »

meowface wrote: post #418
dcolkitt wrote: post #197

One potential confounding factor is the massive drop in smoking rates, particularly among those in the prime age for schizophrenia onset. The evidence seems to strongly indicate that nicotine is a powerful antipsychotic. When smoking was widespread it's possible that many schizophrenics were self-medicating in a basically effective way. The trend is probably particularly acute among cannabis users. 40 years, I'd expe…

>The evidence seems to strongly indicate that nicotine is a powerful antipsychotic. Source? It's commonly known that there's a very high nicotine use rate among people with schizophrenia, but I haven't heard that it has antipsychotic properties. It likely temporarily helps with certain symptoms, but doesn't necessarily reduce psychosis. I think it may generally be used as self-medication for the negative rather than…

As is often the case on these type of topics, Slate Star Codex had a really good roundup of the evidence:

https://slatestarcodex.com/2016/01/11/schizophrenia-no-smoki...

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