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Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by SquishyPanda23 »

oblib wrote: post #142
hereforphone wrote: post #2

I can only speak from personal experience, which is of course limited. I smoked occasionally in my 20s, but not since (I'm middle-aged now). I've been friends and acquaintances with many people that smoke a lot. I see a trend among these people - not necessarily schizophrenia (I'm not a psychologist and probably wouldn't even notice a mild case) - but instead a consistent arrogance and self-importance. It's peculiar…

I could certainly be accused of haughtiness when someone made a snide remark about me using marijuana. This is because I got fed up with arrogant people shitting on me when they found out I use it. In my experience it is those who love to flout their sense of superiority by shitting on users who are arrogant. But shit can flow both ways and when I'd point out that they too use "drugs" they'd get very defensive. Back…

> "It makes you dumb" was one of their favorite cut downs.

Well, it does measurably decrease IQ. And at least in teens, this reduction seems like it may be permanent.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by mnowicki »

SquishyPanda23 wrote: post #189
macksd wrote: post #47

>> In 1995, 2% of schizophrenia diagnoses in the country were associated with cannabis use disorder. In 2000, it increased to around 4%. Since 2010, that figure increased to 8%, the study found. Worded that way, causation isn't the first thing this suggests to me. If percentage of cases associated with marijuana rise, it could also be that a larger percentage of the population is smoking and admitting to smoking mari…

> It could very well be that marijuana puts you at higher risk of schizophrenia More likely, marijuana use accelerates the development of schizophrenia among people already at risk. > it could also be increases in the percentage of cases that actually get diagnosed, etc. This is generally a valid stock response to these sorts of studies. But it strikes me as a bit unlikely that there was previously a large amount of…

also it's 2% "of diagnosis" connected to marijuana use. So the difference would be if marijuana use is more commonly known/reported, regardless of whether they have 100 or 10000 diagnosis

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by tartoran »

seph-reed wrote: post #182
macksd wrote: post #47

>> In 1995, 2% of schizophrenia diagnoses in the country were associated with cannabis use disorder. In 2000, it increased to around 4%. Since 2010, that figure increased to 8%, the study found. Worded that way, causation isn't the first thing this suggests to me. If percentage of cases associated with marijuana rise, it could also be that a larger percentage of the population is smoking and admitting to smoking mari…

I get schizophrenia from smoking pot. But I also know people who get it who've never been pot heads. Something about THC is at the center of this. And also something about age. I used to be able to smoke as much as I wanted and just enjoy it, then one day it started making me crazy.. and I kept smoking for a few years and truly lost my mind. I've heard this story countless times... something (usually around age 20) j…

Did your symptoms disappear when you stopped using it?

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by samatman »

yawaworht1978 wrote: post #170

Another thing I perceived is would isolate themselves from other groups and think of themselves as the cool kids, same with the sporty folks. Then you have just the regular nerds who aren't impressed by either group. For my college class, the following turned true... Group smokers ended on social ladder at the dole or slightly above or below it. Sports group, none of them turned to Messi or Ronaldo or a new Michael J…

Cool story bro!

My hometown is notoriously supportive of cannabis consumption, and one of my high-schools has a well rated jazz programme.

Of my smoking buddies, one is a multimillionaire platinum artist, several are successful and sought-after session musicians, and those are just the music geeks. In general my social cohort have had successful lives, and cannabis doesn't strike me as a relevant variable in that success.

Some of them also fell off and had a hard life. Those tended to be the ones from single-family homes, living on government assistance. Even that wasn't a universal, but in terms of correlation it really stands out.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by Bombthecat »

seph-reed wrote: post #182
macksd wrote: post #47

>> In 1995, 2% of schizophrenia diagnoses in the country were associated with cannabis use disorder. In 2000, it increased to around 4%. Since 2010, that figure increased to 8%, the study found. Worded that way, causation isn't the first thing this suggests to me. If percentage of cases associated with marijuana rise, it could also be that a larger percentage of the population is smoking and admitting to smoking mari…

I get schizophrenia from smoking pot. But I also know people who get it who've never been pot heads. Something about THC is at the center of this. And also something about age. I used to be able to smoke as much as I wanted and just enjoy it, then one day it started making me crazy.. and I kept smoking for a few years and truly lost my mind. I've heard this story countless times... something (usually around age 20) j…

I know someone who went through the same thing... Now alcoholic and homeless.. Also around 20...

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by rjbwork »

jborichevskiy wrote: post #144
eurasiantiger wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that is why engineers created the vaporizer.

Eh, there's also popcorn lung to worry about. Think the research is still out on this one.

Is there any research you know of on vaping of cannabis flower at sub-combustion temperatures in relation to popcorn lung (obliterative brochiolitis)?

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by dcolkitt »

One potential confounding factor is the massive drop in smoking rates, particularly among those in the prime age for schizophrenia onset.

The evidence seems to strongly indicate that nicotine is a powerful antipsychotic. When smoking was widespread it's possible that many schizophrenics were self-medicating in a basically effective way. The trend is probably particularly acute among cannabis users. 40 years, I'd expect that nearly all cannabis smokers were cigarette smokers. (Non-smoke consumption being essentially a rounding error back then.) Nowadays the sizable majority of cannabis users probably don't smoke cigarettes whatsoever.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by krylon »

hereforphone wrote: post #2

I can only speak from personal experience, which is of course limited. I smoked occasionally in my 20s, but not since (I'm middle-aged now). I've been friends and acquaintances with many people that smoke a lot. I see a trend among these people - not necessarily schizophrenia (I'm not a psychologist and probably wouldn't even notice a mild case) - but instead a consistent arrogance and self-importance. It's peculiar…

I can only provide a single data point, but I used to smoke a lot of weed for a pretty long time, then stopped about 12 years ago, and one of the changes I noticed was that I became much more able to accept responsibility for my mistakes instead of blaming everything wrong with my life on others.

After I stopped smoking, I talked about this a friend who also quit weed around that time, and he said it was the same for him. (Okay, so it's two data points.)

Make of that what you want, but there is a correlation. That doesn't mean weed turns people into assholes necessarily, but it can certainly amplify preexisting tendencies in that direction. I'm pretty sure the same goes for various other drugs as well - I never spent time around cocaine or methamphetamine enthusiasts, but I've been told, some people have a tendency to become real assholes on cocaine. And of course there's alcohol, which definitely helps all kinds of unpleasant personality traits to float to the surface.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by scarecrowbob »

01100011 wrote: post #139
lrdswrk00 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Daily toker and edible eater; I’m high now. Hit the bong and a cartridge multiple times. I’ve also successfully upgraded large chunks of my employers infra code; tests green, deploys green. It’s no different than coffee to me at this point; I figured out working with those jitters and anxiety. I even saw shimmering with caffeine I’ve never seen on THC. I’m pretty sure a whole lot of the behavior is just subculture st…

Sort of sounds like me a decade ago. If you find yourself still doing the same job in a decade, I think you'll know why. Tech jobs are very compatible with weed. The sort of tactical, short term thinking you need to apply current knowledge to problems works well. It's great for crafting clever, short-term solutions and hacking your way through things. If that's all you ever want to be, smoke weed everyday man, why no…

This comment comes across as quite condescending.

I mean, yeah I used to smoke a lot and produce a bit. I stopped after a while.

And yeah, I generally recommend that other folks try not smoking...

but it's not like you're getting "more" career than other folks have. It's just different.

Like good on you if that's what you want to do, but from where I sit I could say the same thing about career minded folks who substitute their work for an identity.

I get being terrified you're gonna get pushed out on the streets and all, but yeesh.

I don't wanna get up the corporate ladder. The people who arrange the work I do are nice and all, but it's not like the sales staff and the mild sociopathy they develop are living some sort of elevated life or something just because they make more money and have nicer cars.

Good on you for recognizing that you want something different and pursuing it, but not everyone agrees that "more career" is the same as more life.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by vkou »

throwaway803453 wrote: post #112
Ccecil wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was a statement of my personal views. It is OK with me if you don't feel the same way. I do feel everyone is equal in value. Possibly equally worthless depending on how you view humanity's place in the overall universal timescale. Whenever you look at someone else and think they are being arrogant or self important...likely it is time to take a step back and think about why it is OK to think that they should not f…

That statement needs tuning then. It's doubtful you have a 529 for your neighbor's college fund or you are bankrupting yourself to pay someone else's medical bills. Did you buy a $2 coffee today ? $2 is what the average Venezuelan earns in a month. That quote is often associated with Bill Gates in the context of running a charity. In that case it has merit. But on a personal level it makes no sense, at least literall…

Well, since I'm spending $2 on a Colombian coffee today, instead of supporting a Venezuelan, I suppose I should just double-down on my disregard for human life, and lobby for the creation of gulags, the return of slavery, and a general expansion of the right of the strong to dominate the weak.

That would be as silly as that criticism of equality. I'm still unsure how we go from 'All people are equal' to 'Are they? I don't see you sacrificing to help your fellow man.'

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