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Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by lrdswrk00 »

Ccecil wrote: post #23
hereforphone wrote: post #2

I can only speak from personal experience, which is of course limited. I smoked occasionally in my 20s, but not since (I'm middle-aged now). I've been friends and acquaintances with many people that smoke a lot. I see a trend among these people - not necessarily schizophrenia (I'm not a psychologist and probably wouldn't even notice a mild case) - but instead a consistent arrogance and self-importance. It's peculiar…

It is entirely possible that this is a misunderstanding of their true feelings or intents. To quote Kat Williams "Weed has a chemical in it called F*k it..." Maybe when they use they are not having the same anxious feeling that the general public feels and they do not react to others who otherwise might be perceived as "more important" than them. This would appear to the person who typically views themselves as "more…

Daily toker and edible eater; I’m high now. Hit the bong and a cartridge multiple times.

I’ve also successfully upgraded large chunks of my employers infra code; tests green, deploys green.

It’s no different than coffee to me at this point; I figured out working with those jitters and anxiety. I even saw shimmering with caffeine I’ve never seen on THC.

I’m pretty sure a whole lot of the behavior is just subculture stereotypes that become something like a truism; correct at any speed of light; which become hard to shake for most people (even smart ones).

Personal experience is the science of human existence. The anxiety of non-smokers isn’t an anxiety I have to take on myself.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by throwaway803453 »

Ccecil wrote: post #78
bobthechef wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Every life has value...every person is equal. What was the point of that remark? Persons may be said to be of equal dignity , but no two people are ever equal, in value or otherwise. But what does that have to do with anything in this context? Are you reading things in? The OP was not making any point about rank, only haughty behavior which has no place no matter who you are.

It was a statement of my personal views. It is OK with me if you don't feel the same way. I do feel everyone is equal in value. Possibly equally worthless depending on how you view humanity's place in the overall universal timescale. Whenever you look at someone else and think they are being arrogant or self important...likely it is time to take a step back and think about why it is OK to think that they should not f…

That statement needs tuning then. It's doubtful you have a 529 for your neighbor's college fund or you are bankrupting yourself to pay someone else's medical bills. Did you buy a $2 coffee today ? $2 is what the average Venezuelan earns in a month.

That quote is often associated with Bill Gates in the context of running a charity. In that case it has merit. But on a personal level it makes no sense, at least literally.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by nimroddy »

hereforphone wrote: post #2

I can only speak from personal experience, which is of course limited. I smoked occasionally in my 20s, but not since (I'm middle-aged now). I've been friends and acquaintances with many people that smoke a lot. I see a trend among these people - not necessarily schizophrenia (I'm not a psychologist and probably wouldn't even notice a mild case) - but instead a consistent arrogance and self-importance. It's peculiar…

> consistent arrogance and self-importance

Unfortunately, these words are vague and will only facilitate people projecting their own definitions onto them in order to either support or deny your claim.

If there is a CEO making 500% more than some engineer, and some engineer complains about that, then someone may say, "Hey that person is just some engineer, how self-important and arrogant to complain to the CEO like that", but for me it's self-important and arrogant for the CEO to think the pay is proportional, and brave and commendable for the engineer to speak up.

I have known many assholes. Some were teetotalers and some used cannabis.

Be careful to let your own self-importance and arrogance allow you to think you can or should outright label someone else, or explain another's behavior, especially by pointing at only one facet of their life that you happen to be privvy to.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by caymanjim »

Really getting sick of voluntary behavior being labeled as a "disease" or "disorder". That's the mainstream, PC way of presenting it, and while a number of doctors do support that labeling, it's by no means a universal consensus. Plenty of doctors push back against this, but most of them just avoid picking a fight you can't win against the rabid faction that wants to remove any vestige of personal responsibility. And I say this as someone who's (ab)used his fair share of substances.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by lrdswrk00 »

hereforphone wrote: post #2

I can only speak from personal experience, which is of course limited. I smoked occasionally in my 20s, but not since (I'm middle-aged now). I've been friends and acquaintances with many people that smoke a lot. I see a trend among these people - not necessarily schizophrenia (I'm not a psychologist and probably wouldn't even notice a mild case) - but instead a consistent arrogance and self-importance. It's peculiar…

I take the position that it’s your biochemistry reacting to them.

What words you label it as feeling like are subjective.

I notice people from all walks of life can feel entitled, and narcissistic. I’m sure some have been stoners.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

michaelmrose wrote: post #104

No understood method that marijuana could possibly cause the condition check. Trivially comprehensible in terms of increasing usage or increasing admission of usage check. > our findings will have to be replicated elsewhere Check > "long-observed association between cannabis and schizophrenia is likely partially causal in nature," Weasel words. If they had printed their article on toilet paper at least it would be go…

Too many people might be at risk of contentment and their own personal happiness if we let up now.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by dqpb »

stevev wrote: post #100
hereforphone wrote: post #2

I can only speak from personal experience, which is of course limited. I smoked occasionally in my 20s, but not since (I'm middle-aged now). I've been friends and acquaintances with many people that smoke a lot. I see a trend among these people - not necessarily schizophrenia (I'm not a psychologist and probably wouldn't even notice a mild case) - but instead a consistent arrogance and self-importance. It's peculiar…

My experience is opposite. My experience with cannabis use using a simple activity. Sober, I can clean my office without much thinking and if I had to repeatedly do it, I’d probably do it the same fashion every time. On cannabis, I’m able to see what I believe to be the more or most efficient way of cleaning my office, garage and rooms. I could probably come up with a few ways or road maps for doing so. I don’t know…

You should record yourself cleaning in both situations and then compare. Otherwise, you are merely comparing your perception of your self, which obviously is altered in the second case.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by pier25 »

hereforphone wrote: post #2

I can only speak from personal experience, which is of course limited. I smoked occasionally in my 20s, but not since (I'm middle-aged now). I've been friends and acquaintances with many people that smoke a lot. I see a trend among these people - not necessarily schizophrenia (I'm not a psychologist and probably wouldn't even notice a mild case) - but instead a consistent arrogance and self-importance. It's peculiar…

I think what you describe is pretty common in humans, weed or not.

What I've seen in weed users (myself included when I was in my 20s) is a tendency towards magical thinking and enjoying/accepting fantasies.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by whytaka »

obsequiosity wrote: post #90
whytaka wrote: post #83

I’m a big proponent of marijuana. I recommend it to others almost as a rite of passage and I’m eager to see a world where marijuana use trumps alcohol consumption. But I admit that it’s not without risk. I like to think I am of stable mind. I have never had a drug experience that had overwhelmed my sense of self or being. I have a couple times felt overwhelmed physically, to the point of exhaustion, but my mind kept…

How do you develop a stronger sense of self?

I can’t answer that. I don’t think I did anything to be this way. As far as I know I was born with it.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by whytaka »

rantwasp wrote: post #96
whytaka wrote: post #83

I’m a big proponent of marijuana. I recommend it to others almost as a rite of passage and I’m eager to see a world where marijuana use trumps alcohol consumption. But I admit that it’s not without risk. I like to think I am of stable mind. I have never had a drug experience that had overwhelmed my sense of self or being. I have a couple times felt overwhelmed physically, to the point of exhaustion, but my mind kept…

Alcohol consumption is not without risk. It literally kills your brain cells and has many negative side effects associated with it. Alcohol is widely produced, distributed and consumed. To me this comes down to having the choice. Do the research, document the possible side effect, give me the choice is I want to drink/do the drug. Also, anecdotally based on my own life experience, I think overall marijuana is less ha…

I completely agree.
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