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Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by burnished »

bobthechef wrote: post #62
hereforphone wrote: post #2

I can only speak from personal experience, which is of course limited. I smoked occasionally in my 20s, but not since (I'm middle-aged now). I've been friends and acquaintances with many people that smoke a lot. I see a trend among these people - not necessarily schizophrenia (I'm not a psychologist and probably wouldn't even notice a mild case) - but instead a consistent arrogance and self-importance. It's peculiar…

Ask yourself why people smoke weed in the first place. It isn't because they're temperate and psychically/spiritually/morally in order. Weed stupefies and dulls a person to certain unwanted feelings, like guilt or anxiety. That isn't any more medicinal than alcoholism. In line with that, if what you write is true, it would be consistent with the idea that they have vices which cause them suffering which they then pro…

Where ever did you get your ideas from? A D.A.R.E advertisement? Are you conflating marijuana and opioids? Seriously. You sound like my grand parents, who ascribe frankly magical effects to marijuana. Do you also believe that people regularly get high and believe they can fly?

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by oblib »

I have some experience with this. My first wife was diagnosed with schizophrenia after birthing a stillborn baby. This was about 14 month after we had our first child. One of her doctors insisted the cause was marijuana, but she really did smoke much at all. I did most everyday though and one of the first questions he asked was if we used it.

I told him I thought it was caused by losing the baby and he insisted that had nothing at all to do with it. I knew for sure he was wrong, but he refused to even consider it. But there was more to it than that.

Her grandmother was clearly schizophrenic, and her mother was probably was too. Just a few months before this her mother told me she "hated" our first child because "she looks like you" (it was me she was referring to).

This was in 1986. 15 years later, in 2001, a woman name Andrea Yates murdered her five children and that was when psychiatrist first diagnosed severe "Post Partum Depression" as the cause of what led her to do that.

During those years in between I had pointed out that connection many times to psychiatrists and everyone of them told me I was wrong and they all loved to make the point that I didn't have the credentials to offer a diagnoses of cause. But what I did have that none of them had was real life experience watching my wife slide into schizophrenia.

Schizophrenia is genetic and stress is a trigger. It often doesn't show up until one is an adult. By that time almost anyone will have taken a puff of weed and if a doctor asks them "have you ever used marijuana" and they say "yes", in my experience it doesn't matter how often, using it just once, even years prior, is enough for them to associate cause and effect.

Truth is you can learn something from anyone if you listen to them. If you don't, you won't. What I learned is psychiatry is still pretty much bullshit and the medical profession still doesn't understand the causes or how to treat schizophrenia effectively. They manage it by giving those suffering with it drugs that are akin to turning their patients into slobbering "zombies" so they can manage them.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by shoemakersteve »

bobthechef wrote: post #62
hereforphone wrote: post #2

I can only speak from personal experience, which is of course limited. I smoked occasionally in my 20s, but not since (I'm middle-aged now). I've been friends and acquaintances with many people that smoke a lot. I see a trend among these people - not necessarily schizophrenia (I'm not a psychologist and probably wouldn't even notice a mild case) - but instead a consistent arrogance and self-importance. It's peculiar…

Ask yourself why people smoke weed in the first place. It isn't because they're temperate and psychically/spiritually/morally in order. Weed stupefies and dulls a person to certain unwanted feelings, like guilt or anxiety. That isn't any more medicinal than alcoholism. In line with that, if what you write is true, it would be consistent with the idea that they have vices which cause them suffering which they then pro…

This sounds like it's coming from someone who has 0 experience with weed and has been told their whole life that it's bad and only bad people do it for bad reasons. And judging by the "repentance" language, probably a religious aspect too.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by burnished »

MeinBlutIstBlau wrote: post #20
hart_russell wrote: post #7

I think it's too common a sentiment that psychoactive substances like cannabis and psilocybin are harmless and in fact are good for mental health. I've had adverse mental reactions to both and I would caution people with family history of anxiety.

A lot of marijuana smokers like to pretend weed smoke is somehow less harmful than any other smoke. It's still CO whether it comes from the tobacco or hemp plant. It's still bad and creates a tar residue in your lungs. Any time I bring that up, somehow I become anti-pot even though it's a genuine concern. Edit: Carbon Monoxide, not Carbon Dioxide. And some additions since this is a tad controversial. Here is one sour…

I mean, if we want to ignore the additives and difference in typical consumption then sure they are just as bad.

I think you'd get a similar reaction if you said "bikes and motorcycles both have two wheels, thus riding one has all the same risks and dangers as the other". Obviously you'd be right, you can split your skull on either, but you don't go 70+MPH on both.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by runawaybottle »

hart_russell wrote: post #7

I think it's too common a sentiment that psychoactive substances like cannabis and psilocybin are harmless and in fact are good for mental health. I've had adverse mental reactions to both and I would caution people with family history of anxiety.

I suffer from chronic anxiety and the tales of weed just relaxing you sounded like a magic pill. It was one of the most intense anxiety inducing experiences I’ve ever had. Very unfortunate, but some people seem to manage it well.

If you can barely manage anxiety on your own, weed is is a force multiplier for your fears.

However, I’d be willing to try again in the future as it becomes more available in vape form and try micro dosing it. The smallest hits to see if I can get a modest calmness.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by rantwasp »

whytaka wrote: post #83

I’m a big proponent of marijuana. I recommend it to others almost as a rite of passage and I’m eager to see a world where marijuana use trumps alcohol consumption. But I admit that it’s not without risk. I like to think I am of stable mind. I have never had a drug experience that had overwhelmed my sense of self or being. I have a couple times felt overwhelmed physically, to the point of exhaustion, but my mind kept…

Alcohol consumption is not without risk. It literally kills your brain cells and has many negative side effects associated with it. Alcohol is widely produced, distributed and consumed. To me this comes down to having the choice. Do the research, document the possible side effect, give me the choice is I want to drink/do the drug. Also, anecdotally based on my own life experience, I think overall marijuana is less harmful than alcohol.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by rantwasp »

okareaman wrote: post #14

I would like to see a study exploring the decline (if any) of problems from alcohol abuse in states where marijuana became legal. I am fairly certain that if I could have smoked marijuana when I was in the military then I wouldn't have developed an alcohol habit that has caused me so many problems over the years up until the time I quit.

Since we’re here I would like to see a study linking sugar to the increase of health problems (including mental health). Other drugs are small change compared to sugar.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by subsubzero »

I don't know about schizophrenia and marijuana use, but a ER Dr. friend of mine always complains about the amount of people she sees that have a condition where their body can't handle the weed they regularly smoke. The symptoms are always the same, extremely belligerent, violently sick(constant vomiting), and very nauseous. She says that sometimes its the same people as they just don't get that weed is making them really sick(stopping smoking makes the symptoms go away). For some reason the media never reports on this but if you know someone in the medical field(ER etc) ask them and they will tell you the same thing. I found this medical paper about the issue: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5330965/

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by qayxc »

macksd wrote: post #47

>> In 1995, 2% of schizophrenia diagnoses in the country were associated with cannabis use disorder. In 2000, it increased to around 4%. Since 2010, that figure increased to 8%, the study found. Worded that way, causation isn't the first thing this suggests to me. If percentage of cases associated with marijuana rise, it could also be that a larger percentage of the population is smoking and admitting to smoking mari…

I agree, there's just too many variables here.

The drug itself also changed over the years with current breeds having way more active ingredients than the ones used decades ago.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Post by stevev »

hereforphone wrote: post #2

I can only speak from personal experience, which is of course limited. I smoked occasionally in my 20s, but not since (I'm middle-aged now). I've been friends and acquaintances with many people that smoke a lot. I see a trend among these people - not necessarily schizophrenia (I'm not a psychologist and probably wouldn't even notice a mild case) - but instead a consistent arrogance and self-importance. It's peculiar…

My experience is opposite.

My experience with cannabis use using a simple activity.

Sober, I can clean my office without much thinking and if I had to repeatedly do it, I’d probably do it the same fashion every time.

On cannabis, I’m able to see what I believe to be the more or most efficient way of cleaning my office, garage and rooms. I could probably come up with a few ways or road maps for doing so.

I don’t know what it is. Maybe there’s a higher level of dopamine from using cannabis that influenced me to have so much attention and focus on such a menial task.

I have been told that I’m usually not there mentally and never arrogant; and my friends are pretty outspoken.

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