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Post by baybal2 »

andresgottlieb wrote: post #302
ribit wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In what universe is that normal? In a universe where you want high-performance energy efficient RAM. Premium ultracompact laptops have long moved to LPDDR which is both faster and consumes significantly less energy than regular modular DDR. And LPDDR does not come in DIMMs. And then you have Apple who are using custom package technology with custom RAM chips to cut down RAM power consumption to under one watt activ…

Why is it that you can't have this with socketed RAM? Is there a physical limitation?

Not much. LPDDR4 signalling is actually more robust than that of regular DDR.

It's not physically impossible to make DIMMs with LPDDR4, just nobody really wanted to come with a standard.

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Post by Google234 »

raffraffraff wrote: post #293
victor9000 wrote: post #254

This device is seriously the answer to all my laptop problems. I really like the form factor of the XPS 13, but now I'm stuck with the complete inability to upgrade RAM. In what universe is that normal? Then I accidentally nuked the USB-C ports on the left side when it got wet, and now I'm left with a single port for everything, including charging. What!? Why? I tore the entire thing apart and there's just no way to…

This reminds me of the day I dropped my new HTC One M8 into water. I grabbed it out within a second. The screen was still on and seemed functional, but rather quickly it started behaving erratically. The little motor that handles vibrate was constantly running. The device was getting hot. I couldn't power it off. The battery couldn't be removed. In fact, the entire case was sealed shut so I couldn't even expose the i…

New phones are water proof now which is something that modularity generally doesn’t allow.

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Post by stefandesu »

deathanatos wrote: post #237

> We designed the adapter to be modular, with both the 1m AC cable and 2m USB-C cable detachable and replaceable, reducing waste in case your cat chews through one of them. Thank you. This is one of my chief annoyances with Lenovo's connector, and it smacks of planned obsolescence, since there is no other conceivable reason for it. I think every brick I've had has failed in the same spot: between the connector and co…

Our cat likes to chew on cables if we're not careful, and he has already destroyed multiple cables including one older Apple MacBook charger which costs like $80 to replace if bought from Apple.

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Post by Google234 »

victor9000 wrote: post #264
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #261

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>but now I'm stuck with the complete inability to upgrade RAM. In what universe is that normal? Apple's? And Dell's? And Lenovo's? And every other electronics manufacturare who benefits form planned obsolescence and selling more hardware.

Common? Yes. Normal? No. RAM is sold by the stick in any configuration you can imagine, yet these products are designed to prevent the simplest of upgrades. It's like being told that you need a new car because you want snow tires.

Tires are more like the plastic rubber things on the bottom of the laptop. What you want is to upgrade the engine.

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Post by franga2000 »

ribit wrote: post #286
victor9000 wrote: post #254

This device is seriously the answer to all my laptop problems. I really like the form factor of the XPS 13, but now I'm stuck with the complete inability to upgrade RAM. In what universe is that normal? Then I accidentally nuked the USB-C ports on the left side when it got wet, and now I'm left with a single port for everything, including charging. What!? Why? I tore the entire thing apart and there's just no way to…

> In what universe is that normal? In a universe where you want high-performance energy efficient RAM. Premium ultracompact laptops have long moved to LPDDR which is both faster and consumes significantly less energy than regular modular DDR. And LPDDR does not come in DIMMs. And then you have Apple who are using custom package technology with custom RAM chips to cut down RAM power consumption to under one watt activ…

So just...put LPDDR on a DIMM? Or some other kind of removable slot?? I see no technical reason you couldn't.

Or, instead of soldering chips, make little LGA slots for the individual chips. I can't imagine the tiny added resistance from an extra millimeter of wire and pin surface contact would impact much of anything and even if it does, I'd rather take that than have no options when the next Windows update makes my machine a paperweight (obviously exaggerating, but it's getting there).

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Post by rraihansaputra »

nrp wrote: post #131
nitsky wrote: post #114

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Are you considering OLED as well? The Dell XPS has that as an option and it is a serious draw, especially for coders who stare at a mostly-black screen all day.

@pabs3, there is actually a 4:3 13.3" e-ink panel that may be possible to fit, but it would be challenging to interface. On OLED, nothing we can share yet, but there are certainly benefits to OLED panels.

This might be a bit much, but if you offer an e-ink with the same interface as the laptop, it would be very cool to have an external usb-c case for it. So people can choose which display for their "main" monitor, and have the other one as an external portable monitor.

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Post by rraihansaputra »

nrp wrote: post #42
tedk-42 wrote: post #36

Hi Nirav, exciting times ahead! Key highlights I'd like to point out is that you nailed the screen specs (3:2 and brightness) as well as the 1080p camera which is something that has always annoyed me. Do you have a timeline of how long you expect to keep the mainboard design replaceable with this frame? I'd personally love to see an AMD chip in there over Intel but this is right up there for my next laptop purchase (…

Thanks! We aren't able to announce anything yet, but we have certainly designed for being able to support different CPU platforms, and for folks to switch between them by upgrading just the mainboard or the mainboard+memory.

It would be really cool if Framework would release an ARM platform based motherboard in the future.

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Post by d110af5ccf »

r9 wrote: post #328
ddalex wrote: post #317

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> a 100WH battery a hand grenade typically releases 250kJ, or about 70Wh you're asking for the equivalent of 1.5 grenades in your lap :)

There's a subtle difference. One is designed to release that energy in a fraction of a second in a frangible metal casing, the other is designed to release it over a number of hours. Yes, batteries can go wrong, just like any tech, but comparing them to hand grenades is just ludicrous.

> comparing them to hand grenades is just ludicrous

Next, let's calculate the energy input required to heat a small cup of coffee and compare that to a hand grenade. (Hint: The coffee wins easily.) I wonder how many hand grenade equivalents a 10 minute lukewarm shower equates to?

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Post by fulafel »

ddalex wrote: post #317
michalf6 wrote: post #310

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I would really prefer that a laptop was just a tiny bit thicker to fit a 100WH battery to compensate for that. My T480 gets 12-16 hours with normal use, I imagine it could easily hit 20 with current processors.

> a 100WH battery a hand grenade typically releases 250kJ, or about 70Wh you're asking for the equivalent of 1.5 grenades in your lap :)

To keep your peace of mind, refrain from looking up the energy content of a pizza!
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