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Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by nrp »

nitsky wrote: post #114
nrp wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't have any plans we can share yet, but we did design the display to be easy to replace by putting it behind a magnet-attach bezel and using fasteners to affix it the lid.

Are you considering OLED as well? The Dell XPS has that as an option and it is a serious draw, especially for coders who stare at a mostly-black screen all day.

@pabs3, there is actually a 4:3 13.3" e-ink panel that may be possible to fit, but it would be challenging to interface.

On OLED, nothing we can share yet, but there are certainly benefits to OLED panels.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by pabs3 »

nrp wrote: post #32
rasz wrote: post #22

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Great, you "somehow" missed my questions last time around. >Every module has a QR code on it that you can scan for step-by-step instructions, support information, and a link to order a replacement from the Framework Marketplace So its a dealer "repair" where you, the dealer, sell me a repair without the labour part in a form of black box to replace? What about the schematics? the Board files? Firmware? Who is the ODM…

Apologies for the miss. There were almost 1000 comments on the last big thread! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26263508 End users have the ability to order replacement parts for every part of the laptop, down to the granularity of things like individual flex cables. We've also released reference CAD under open source licenses for the Expansion Card system for people to be able to develop their own ( https://git…

Have you sent your EC patches back to the upstream Chromium EC project?

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by koyote »

matt_heimer wrote: post #86
emacsen wrote: post #20

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From the web site, the selling point seems to be around this being a "right to repair" laptop. What's a bit unclear to me is that it seems the Framework Laptop is not be under an Open Source license, unlike the Pinebook Pro, the Librem 14 or the MNT Reform- the MNT being the most "user serviceable" as well as most repairable. Is your laptop fully open source, or if not, what makes it special or different from these o…

I'm guessing you haven't worked on many laptops. They aren't meant to be repaired easily in many cases. Want to upgrade the RAM, you need to upgrade both sticks. One is on the bottom side of the motherboard that requires 16 screws be removed and a pry tool to get the bottom case off. The second stick is under the keyboard that requires multiple levels of plastic pieces to be pried off and disconnecting the keyboard c…

So this would put the Framework laptop into the same category as a Thinkpad?

My old (8 years) Thinkpad has had: a new battery, a new keyboard (orange juice!), a new screen (upgrade!), new RAM, new HDD and a new charging plug.

All of the above were very simple with just a couple of screws to get the back cover off. No adhesive or force needed. Even the screen simply clipped off. The manual also comes with instructions on how to dismantle the laptop for repairs.

I sourced the OEM parts from eBay.

The only thing I was not able to change was the Wifi card. Apparently it's hard-locked to a specific model in the bios firmware, which I find a bit odd.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by JoshTriplett »

nrp wrote: post #112
eikenberry wrote: post #100

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+1, please consider offering this. A track point and 3 real buttons are so much nicer than a trackpad. At least to some of us. ThinkPads success seems to indicate there are a lot of us.

A touchpad with buttons is something that we have explored, and is in theory a replacement module we can create. Inserting a track point would be much more challenging from a cost and engineering feasibility standpoint. We may have underestimated the level of interest around track point...

At the moment, there are exactly two things stopping me from jumping on this:

1) 3 buttons at the top of the mousepad, ideally contoured to be comfortable and easily differentiated.

2) A 3+ year warranty, rather than just 1 year.

The screen and the high-end internals are really grabbing me.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by nrp »

koyote wrote: post #133
matt_heimer wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing you haven't worked on many laptops. They aren't meant to be repaired easily in many cases. Want to upgrade the RAM, you need to upgrade both sticks. One is on the bottom side of the motherboard that requires 16 screws be removed and a pry tool to get the bottom case off. The second stick is under the keyboard that requires multiple levels of plastic pieces to be pried off and disconnecting the keyboard c…

So this would put the Framework laptop into the same category as a Thinkpad? My old (8 years) Thinkpad has had: a new battery, a new keyboard (orange juice!), a new screen (upgrade!), new RAM, new HDD and a new charging plug. All of the above were very simple with just a couple of screws to get the back cover off. No adhesive or force needed. Even the screen simply clipped off. The manual also comes with instructions…

It actually would put us in a similar category to Thinkpads from the 2000's and early 2010's, but with modern hardware, a thin and light form factor, an upgradeable mainboard, and customizable ports with Expansion Cards!

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by dorfsmay »

nrp wrote: post #13
itwy wrote: post #9

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How compatible is it with Linux? Was it tested with specific distros?

We've been testing with Ubuntu 21.04 and Fedora 34. We'll be releasing guides around both of these soon and other distros in the future. On Fedora 34 respins that are going live soon, everything works out of the box, including the fingerprint reader. On Ubuntu 21.04, everything works out of the box except the fingerprint reader, which requires manually upgrading libfprint.

What OS/distro does the laptop ship with?

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by dang »

Past related threads:

Framework Laptop – How ALL laptops should be made - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27925405 - July 2021 (5 comments)

Framework Laptop – pre-orders are now open - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27143545 - May 2021 (16 comments)

Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27143076 - May 2021 (203 comments)

Preparing for Pre-Orders! (Framework modular laptop) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27052468 - May 2021 (79 comments)

The Framework Laptop - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26263508 - Feb 2021 (991 comments)

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by dang »

rasz wrote: post #22
nrp wrote: post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

Great, you "somehow" missed my questions last time around. >Every module has a QR code on it that you can scan for step-by-step instructions, support information, and a link to order a replacement from the Framework Marketplace So its a dealer "repair" where you, the dealer, sell me a repair without the labour part in a form of black box to replace? What about the schematics? the Board files? Firmware? Who is the ODM…

> Great, you "somehow" missed my questions last time around.

Please don't be a jerk in HN comments. Note this site guideline: "Assume good faith."

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by peterburkimsher »

ant6n wrote: post #125
nrp wrote: post #101

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It's a TI BQ40Z50-R3. I would strongly recommend doing a pack replacement rather than cell replacements for a Framework Laptop Battery. We'll be making replacement battery packs readily available at a price point that hopefully makes it the clear choice.

The question is whether it will be possible to get a replacement battery five years from now (at a reasonable price point).

Exactly. Apple even have third-party batteries in their supply chain (installed by an AASP), the printing of the warnings on the cells and the PCB date code look very suspiciously shanzhai. Yet Apple Support were able to confirm that the order number is real and the part came from them. They charged me $600 for it too. It'd better be reliable, unlike the $100 third-party one that idles at 12V, and a voltage spike when waking from sleep killed my logic board.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by oxplot »

tedk-42 wrote: post #36

Hi Nirav, exciting times ahead! Key highlights I'd like to point out is that you nailed the screen specs (3:2 and brightness) as well as the 1080p camera which is something that has always annoyed me. Do you have a timeline of how long you expect to keep the mainboard design replaceable with this frame? I'd personally love to see an AMD chip in there over Intel but this is right up there for my next laptop purchase (…

Major thumbs-up for AMD chip. With a replaceable main board, this will be a dream. I ordered a framework laptop at its highest CPU+RAM spec and can't wait to replace my 6 years old ThinkPad x250 with it.

EDIT: would also add that the open source design USB-C based side modules are amazing - looking forward to designing my own modules.

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