Is there a possibility to install more exotic peripherals like 4g modem (or a smartcard slot)? I don't see them mentioned anywhere, but I'd expect a hackable laptop to have these.
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#322Are there other companies doing similiar projects? This is a good step in the right direction but there are some major drawbacks for me:
- 3:2 screen makes the laptop bigger and adds space thats pretty much useless except for video editing I guess
- No option without camera, mic and fingerprint reader
- Intel CPU
- Thin instead of robust
- American company
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#323Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who is manufacturing it? Did you pick a single contractor, or separate companies make separate modules?
I noted in another comment that we partnered with Compal as our main manufacturer, as they are one of the strongest notebook manufacturers currently and they believe in our mission. For many of the other modules, we've partnered with other manufacturers specialized in different areas. We have a series of technical deep dive blog posts where we go into each: https://frame.work/blog/framework-laptop-deep-divethe-touchp…
How do you connect the keyboard?
I see the cable from the keyboard in the upper lid not going directly to the main PCB, but first to the same board as the touchpad. Is there some IC scanning the keyboard right in the keyboard module, and turning it to something like usb or i2c?
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#324I wonder about the software though. - What kind of BIOS does it have? - Does it support coreboot? - Can Intel Management Engine be disabled? I was looking for something similar recently and have found StarBook MK V - https://starlabs.systems/pages/starbook . It supports coreboot and has most of Intel Management Engine voided. It's repairability looks good too: > Open warranty. Laptops designed for open-source softwar…
Regardless of the questions stated, thank you for mentioning Starlabs Systems, @mateuszf. I’ll be looking for an Intel-ME-free laptop during my next purchase and I had no idea about that particular project.
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#325Earlier quoted context omitted.
> In what universe is that normal? In a universe where you want high-performance energy efficient RAM. Premium ultracompact laptops have long moved to LPDDR which is both faster and consumes significantly less energy than regular modular DDR. And LPDDR does not come in DIMMs. And then you have Apple who are using custom package technology with custom RAM chips to cut down RAM power consumption to under one watt activ…
Why is it that you can't have this with socketed RAM? Is there a physical limitation?
I imagine you may have some difficulty getting the pins to make contact if they’re too small.
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#326Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would really prefer that a laptop was just a tiny bit thicker to fit a 100WH battery to compensate for that. My T480 gets 12-16 hours with normal use, I imagine it could easily hit 20 with current processors.
> a 100WH battery a hand grenade typically releases 250kJ, or about 70Wh you're asking for the equivalent of 1.5 grenades in your lap :)
Airlines tend to cap lithium-ion batteries at 100Wh, so it’s quite common for laptops and power banks to go to or just shy of that. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/11/apple-introduces-16-i... speaks of a 100Wh battery. My latest laptop has about a 90Wh battery.
Hopefully your laptop and hand grenade have radically different power discharge profiles.
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#327Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would really prefer that a laptop was just a tiny bit thicker to fit a 100WH battery to compensate for that. My T480 gets 12-16 hours with normal use, I imagine it could easily hit 20 with current processors.
> a 100WH battery a hand grenade typically releases 250kJ, or about 70Wh you're asking for the equivalent of 1.5 grenades in your lap :)
The hand grenade is arguably better at releasing that energy at an instant.
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#328Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would really prefer that a laptop was just a tiny bit thicker to fit a 100WH battery to compensate for that. My T480 gets 12-16 hours with normal use, I imagine it could easily hit 20 with current processors.
> a 100WH battery a hand grenade typically releases 250kJ, or about 70Wh you're asking for the equivalent of 1.5 grenades in your lap :)
There's a subtle difference. One is designed to release that energy in a fraction of a second in a frangible metal casing, the other is designed to release it over a number of hours. Yes, batteries can go wrong, just like any tech, but comparing them to hand grenades is just ludicrous.
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#329Earlier quoted context omitted.
>but now I'm stuck with the complete inability to upgrade RAM. In what universe is that normal? Apple's? And Dell's? And Lenovo's? And every other electronics manufacturare who benefits form planned obsolescence and selling more hardware.
Common? Yes. Normal? No. RAM is sold by the stick in any configuration you can imagine, yet these products are designed to prevent the simplest of upgrades. It's like being told that you need a new car because you want snow tires.
As the comment above states, LPDRR RAM is apparently not sold in DIMM form.
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#330Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Make a system that even morons can use, and only morons will use it."
That’s both condescending and evidently not true at all.
Relatively speaking I guess it is true? If your system is so hard to use that only power users consider it, you’ll only have power users, but those represent less than 1% of the population.
If you make it simpler, you’ll get all 100% of users, but now 99% of them are evidently less capable of using the system.