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Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by amelius »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #265
victor9000 wrote: post #264

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Common? Yes. Normal? No. RAM is sold by the stick in any configuration you can imagine, yet these products are designed to prevent the simplest of upgrades. It's like being told that you need a new car because you want snow tires.

>RAM is sold by the stick in any configuration you can imagine, yet these products are designed to prevent the simplest of upgrades. Of course, but most consumers outside of tech enthusiasts have no idea which stuff in their laptop is upgradable, even when it is, so they just buy a new device whenever they want to upgrade, because that's how they've been conditioned by the industry. >It's like being told that you nee…

"Make a system that even morons can use, and only morons will use it."

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by TreeInBuxton »

nrp wrote: post #246
schmorptron wrote: post #241

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Hey! Love the entire concept behind it. That being said, for mass-adoption and a large parts "ecosystem", do you guys anticipate you'll be able to get the initial price for the laptop down in the future with either cheaper casing materials or after recouping the initial R&D cost for the custom motherboard design and such? It's totally understandable that the first product from a rather small company would demand some…

The base price for a new system will likely stay in this range, barring future lower-end mainboards like one using an ARM SoC. However, one thing that will help on cost of entry in the future is refurbished and used Framework Laptops. Since the product is easy to repair and upgrade, we want to foster a healthy secondary market. We don't want anyone to put an old Framework Laptop that they are not using into a drawer…

If you ever do start doing bringup of an Arm SoC, drop me an email (in my profile) - I work on an internal BSP team at Arm and would be happy to (unofficially) assist

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by qwerty456127 »

I don't feel like buying it this time because I have just bought a rather good new laptop recently and don't have money to spare, but I really hope this isn't going to be a one-time single-batch device project. I will definitely lean towards this (if something like Purism won't beat it too hard) for the next laptop I buy.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by the_biot »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #261
victor9000 wrote: post #254

This device is seriously the answer to all my laptop problems. I really like the form factor of the XPS 13, but now I'm stuck with the complete inability to upgrade RAM. In what universe is that normal? Then I accidentally nuked the USB-C ports on the left side when it got wet, and now I'm left with a single port for everything, including charging. What!? Why? I tore the entire thing apart and there's just no way to…

>but now I'm stuck with the complete inability to upgrade RAM. In what universe is that normal? Apple's? And Dell's? And Lenovo's? And every other electronics manufacturare who benefits form planned obsolescence and selling more hardware.

What a bunch of nonsense. These are tiny laptops, and every bit of space inside is used. Soldering on RAM chips is an obvious optimization to make the laptop thinner. What were you expecting, a DIMM slot that's taller than the actual laptop body?

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by eptcyka »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #265
victor9000 wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Common? Yes. Normal? No. RAM is sold by the stick in any configuration you can imagine, yet these products are designed to prevent the simplest of upgrades. It's like being told that you need a new car because you want snow tires.

>RAM is sold by the stick in any configuration you can imagine, yet these products are designed to prevent the simplest of upgrades. Of course, but most consumers outside of tech enthusiasts have no idea which stuff in their laptop is upgradable, even when it is, so they just buy a new device whenever they want to upgrade, because that's how they've been conditioned by the industry. >It's like being told that you nee…

There are companies who's livelihood is replacing a 4 cylinder engine in an MX-5 with an LS V8.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by akavel »

nrp wrote: post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

Is there a chance you might produce a fanless configuration? Since I first bought a fanless machine, I'm a total sucker for them and just stopped considering fanless computers for home use anymore (100% confirmed by my later buying choices). I'm happy to notice that the fan seems to be on the mainboard in your DIY Build video, so at a first glance it looks not impossible; but I also understand there's more to that, in overall heat transport and airways design/considerations, that's why I'm still asking and really interested to know the answer!

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by PlasticTank »

nrp wrote: post #228
oxplot wrote: post #140

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Major thumbs-up for AMD chip. With a replaceable main board, this will be a dream. I ordered a framework laptop at its highest CPU+RAM spec and can't wait to replace my 6 years old ThinkPad x250 with it. EDIT: would also add that the open source design USB-C based side modules are amazing - looking forward to designing my own modules.

Thanks! We're looking forward to seeing the modules everyone develops, and we're excited to get new mainboards out in the future.

Another +1 for AMD from me, only reason I haven't bought one yet was I was hoping to get an AMD chip for my next laptop.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

eptcyka wrote: post #275
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>RAM is sold by the stick in any configuration you can imagine, yet these products are designed to prevent the simplest of upgrades. Of course, but most consumers outside of tech enthusiasts have no idea which stuff in their laptop is upgradable, even when it is, so they just buy a new device whenever they want to upgrade, because that's how they've been conditioned by the industry. >It's like being told that you nee…

There are companies who's livelihood is replacing a 4 cylinder engine in an MX-5 with an LS V8.

Yeah, but we were talking about "user upgradeable" here. Even my local dealer won't upgrade engines and most car owners have no idea how to change their oil or a tyre, let alone perform engine transplants.

One-off custom cars are a different thing same how there are YouTubers putting headphone jacks in their iPhones or upgrading the soldered VRAM of their Nvidia graphics cards.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by cconcepts »

I hope you guys slay the market and are able to keep up with the demand that is coming at you.

I hope this is the Tesla moment for the consumer electronics industry where the incumbents are forced, through the hubris yet popularity of an upstart, to start innovating again and doing what is good for humanity rather than peddling incrementally changed products each year that are designed to become obsolete within an ever-shortening timeframe because....it appears to be good for the bottom line.

Good on you

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