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Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by schmorptron »

nrp wrote: post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

Hey! Love the entire concept behind it. That being said, for mass-adoption and a large parts "ecosystem", do you guys anticipate you'll be able to get the initial price for the laptop down in the future with either cheaper casing materials or after recouping the initial R&D cost for the custom motherboard design and such?

It's totally understandable that the first product from a rather small company would demand some sort of higher price, your initial investment into R&D and product design & manufacturing must've been huge! But is this something we can expect to get a bit better in the future?

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Post by nrp »

deathanatos wrote: post #237

> We designed the adapter to be modular, with both the 1m AC cable and 2m USB-C cable detachable and replaceable, reducing waste in case your cat chews through one of them. Thank you. This is one of my chief annoyances with Lenovo's connector, and it smacks of planned obsolescence, since there is no other conceivable reason for it. I think every brick I've had has failed in the same spot: between the connector and co…

Yes! It seemed pretty obvious to us that this is the right way to go. Keeping the AC cable removable is also nice for international travel, since IEC C5 cables for different AC plug types are extremely inexpensive.

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Post by proyb2 »

I’m not sure how to feel about this warning notice?

“This product can expose you to chemicals including Nickel (Metallic), which is known to the State of California to cause cancer, and Bisphenol A (BPA), which is known to the State of California to cause birth defects or other reproductive harm. For more information go to www.P65Warnings.ca.gov“

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by nrp »

schmorptron wrote: post #241
nrp wrote: post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

Hey! Love the entire concept behind it. That being said, for mass-adoption and a large parts "ecosystem", do you guys anticipate you'll be able to get the initial price for the laptop down in the future with either cheaper casing materials or after recouping the initial R&D cost for the custom motherboard design and such? It's totally understandable that the first product from a rather small company would demand some…

The base price for a new system will likely stay in this range, barring future lower-end mainboards like one using an ARM SoC. However, one thing that will help on cost of entry in the future is refurbished and used Framework Laptops. Since the product is easy to repair and upgrade, we want to foster a healthy secondary market.

We don't want anyone to put an old Framework Laptop that they are not using into a drawer and forget about it. We want to get them to list it on the Framework Marketplace to find another happy user.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by mimsee »

proyb2 wrote: post #244

I’m not sure how to feel about this warning notice? “This product can expose you to chemicals including Nickel (Metallic), which is known to the State of California to cause cancer, and Bisphenol A (BPA), which is known to the State of California to cause birth defects or other reproductive harm. For more information go to www.P65Warnings.ca.gov“

Aren't these types of warnings everywhere in California? So much so that nobody takes them seriously as the warnings are everywhere.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by sschueller »

proyb2 wrote: post #244

I’m not sure how to feel about this warning notice? “This product can expose you to chemicals including Nickel (Metallic), which is known to the State of California to cause cancer, and Bisphenol A (BPA), which is known to the State of California to cause birth defects or other reproductive harm. For more information go to www.P65Warnings.ca.gov“

Isn't BPA an issue mostly when it comes to food containers and drink holders. Specifically when holding hot items the BPA can leach into the food?

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by nrp »

ghego1 wrote: post #242
nrp wrote: post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

Thank you for this! I love the colored bezels, even if it's not much, it's one of those little things that make a difference. Any plans to sell in Europe (Italy)?

Yes. We have the necessary certifications for Europe, and are working through setting up keyboard languages, fulfillment, support, and everything else we will need to have to be successful there.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by dredmorbius »

proyb2 wrote: post #244

I’m not sure how to feel about this warning notice? “This product can expose you to chemicals including Nickel (Metallic), which is known to the State of California to cause cancer, and Bisphenol A (BPA), which is known to the State of California to cause birth defects or other reproductive harm. For more information go to www.P65Warnings.ca.gov“

Well, for more information, you can go ot https://www.p65warnings.ca.gov

The warnings are required by a 1986 statewide proposition, numbered 65, for chemicals posing chancer, birth defect, or other reproductive harm, and though they're obligatory only if the risk is greater than 1:100,000 over a 70 year lifespan, many companies feel it's safer to include the warnings regardless to avoid nondisclusure actions.

https://askthescientists.com/qa/california-prop-65-warning/

You can find a similar listing for, say, Apple, Inc.'s products, running to 25 pages:

https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/Apple_Regulated_Substa... (PDF)

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