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Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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That's why I keep it simple. I run things out of a closet with an air gaped computer, a single printer, and a gun...in case the printer starts acting suspicious.

> a single printer

You've already lost, then. Printers' output can be uniquely identified.

Nothing should ever be in dead-tree format. If you need to carry something that does not need electricity to display text, use eInk. Or build your own printer.

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Vote for approval voting, ranked choice, or even instant runoff at every level of government so that voting against an incumbent at least has a viable candidate.

I worry that making voting more complicated and giving people more candidates to vote for might actually backfire. We already see this in American primary elections where the incumbent runs against a half dozen or more “nobodies” and seems to win on name recognition and vote splitting alone.

The problem is any winner-takes-all process. Ranked choice solves ticket splitting.

For instance, many Americans heavily favored Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren who were both policy candidates in 2020. With ranked choice, they would have been the P/VP pairing. Instead, it went to Joe Biden because the candidates all dropped out and gave him their endorsements months prior to the end of the primaries to prevent Sanders' nomination and to secure a little political capital.

The current system is designed (to be able to) rob any candidate who builds popular support over the establishment. For instance, superdelegates are bullshit, but they're the tool the DNC decided on to prevent another Carter from happening, which is how they viewed Sanders.

Biden didn't even campaign and ended up POTUS, and he hasn't done anything towards enacting any of the promises he gave lip service to during the debates. I just wonder if that's not backfiring, what is?

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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> The Israeli developers who wrote this software may not even have been exposed to the moral and ethical questions writing such software ought to raise Of course they have been exposed to ethical questions for writing the software. If you know Israel well, and the famed Unit 8200 [0], the initial creation of this type of software is definitely built with morals in mind - saving lives is the entire impetus. Lots of se…

I meant actual ethics - not Israeli hasbara (propaganda). Clearly, the perspective that the Israeli Defense Forces is the bravest and most moral army in the world and that everyone who resists the occupation are evil terrorists is not foreign to them! I meant real ethical questions. Do I have a responsibility if what I create is used for evil? Is "just following orders" a valid defense? Is it right to spy on people w…

The solution, as it always has been, is political and educational. A fully-rounded education is essential to creating minds that use all sources of information - historical, statistical, philosophical, religious, etc - as data fed to a critical thinking machine (your brain). And politics must be of a nature that the best conclusions are elevated while the worst are discouraged.

There will always be people who will build weapons, and those weapons can always be used on innocent people. The only hope we have is that the people holding the weapons will have the right environment and presence of mind, and we can only do that through culture and education.

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Lol. Sure dude, it's the programmers who are the bad guys, not the people funding the israel/palestine war or in this case the owners of the company who decide to make software that helps assasinate people.

The whole Israeli state is morally bankrupt, but that doesn't mean that Israeli software developers doesn't have any responsibility themselves. Everyone is responsible for their own actions and should at least try to act ethically. I can't say I know where the line is. For example, would it be unethical to work for Facebook? I don't know and I don't think so. Working for an online casino? In my opinion yes, but other…

It won't make an impact unless you go top-down. I addressed this in my other comment. It's like expecting meaningful change by having people spend less water before companies spend less water. It's not impactful or meaningful.

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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> The investigation by the Guardian and 16 other media organisations suggests widespread and continuing abuse of NSO’s hacking spyware, Pegasus, which the company insists is only intended for use against criminals and terrorists. (from the Guardian inquiry about the same topic). Every time we allow special laws or special tools to fight "terrorism" or "child abuse" or other evils that get people worked up, they end u…

It might hard to accept this, but "public health" is now a part of the surveillance justification tool kit too. When it's impossible to argue against measures taken in defense of public health without seeming selfish, why wouldn't it be?

Can you provid examples of this? De we have examples of public health being leveraged for anything other than public health?

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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post #101

That's why I keep it simple. I run things out of a closet with an air gaped computer, a single printer, and a gun...in case the printer starts acting suspicious.

> a single printer You've already lost, then. Printers' output can be uniquely identified. Nothing should ever be in dead-tree format. If you need to carry something that does not need electricity to display text, use eInk. Or build your own printer.

Time to hoard type writers?

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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How do I allow laws? Or rather what does it mean to not “allow” a law? You are right. Terrorism and cp are commonly used excuses to enable even more surveillance. When you talk about “allowing laws” it makes it sound as if we somehow got conned into letting them have these laws. In reality powerfull people want these tools. Powerfull people get these tools. Where does the allowing happen exactly? And don’t tell me th…

> what does it mean to not “allow” a law? Voting against any politicians who contribute to its passing, even if they're from your preferred political party.

Little evidence for this strategy's efficacy. Single-issue voting doesn't carry a lot of weight and in many cases other candidates would be equally supportive of the policy.

As I often point out, surveillance is bad but so is child abuse and complaining about surveillance without acknowledging that is a good way to get ignored.

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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Operate like what?

> "doesn't seem to give a damn when criminal enterprises operating in their borders victimize people in other countries."

None of these seem to be criminal enterprises… also you think adware is unique to Israel and Russia?

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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The people who work in these companies should be absolutely shunned and black listed from laundering their past by taking up a role at any major tech firm. The people who work at NSO and companies like this are a stain on the whole tech industry and are outcasted by their own IOF peers for being greedy and morally-lacking. Absolutely disgusting to think your hands are clean while you make tools that directly empower…

Completely agree, but that only makes these positions more valued by the black market.

Can't get a job at Google under security? Guess I need to hack for Russia.

I think we should shun marketers too, they literally use exploits on our brain.

So far my quest to encourage only positive jobs hasn't changed anything.

Re: Private Israeli spyware used to hack cellphones of journalists, activists

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That's why I keep it simple. I run things out of a closet with an air gaped computer, a single printer, and a gun...in case the printer starts acting suspicious.

> in case the printer starts acting suspicious. These days that is a very real possibility if you run Windows.

I think the real solution is to use an obscure privacy version of Linux.
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