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Carlos Ghosn: How I escaped Japan

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Re: Carlos Ghosn: How I escaped Japan

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Post by sunstone »

rendall wrote: post #162
sunstone wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing I can't believe is that Japan's trading partners like USA, Canada, UK, Europe etc. haven't said boo about this outrageous miscarriage of justice in which the Japanese government has been complicit. As for as I know not one government has spoken out publicly.

You cannot assume the fellow is innocent. A government, particularly an ally, cannot be reckless with accusations.

What seems much more likely to me is that the Japanese government and the Japanese management of Nissan felt they had a right to controlling ownership of Nissan after that had been purchased and turned around by Ghosn. In the circumstance, if that's what they wanted, then they should have bought it back rather than setting up a kangaroo court.

I suspect from now on companies with subsidiaries in Japan will be sure their top level meetings don't take place on Japanese soil.

Re: Carlos Ghosn: How I escaped Japan

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Post by jldugger »

laurieg wrote: post #49

The most curious thing: Why were none of the Japanese executives arrested? Not even briefly for questioning? Ghosn was held for hundreds of days, Kelly is currently undergoing trial. It seems to me that this was a corporate coup with assistance from the prosecutors office. The plan was Ghosn would be arrested, admit guilt straightaway, possibly under some questionable interrogation[1] and then get a fine/suspended se…

> The most curious thing: Why were none of the Japanese executives arrested? Not even briefly for questioning? Ghosn was held for hundreds of days, Kelly is currently undergoing trial.

For the same reason the company was able to put out a press release minutes after his arrest.

Re: Carlos Ghosn: How I escaped Japan

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Post by wwtrv »

csomar wrote: post #197
dehrmann wrote: post #180

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You're conflating the role of TSA (or Japan's equivalent) with customs. The security risk of taking an uninspected box on a private jet is pretty low, and private jets routinely have fewer security checks. On the customs side, they're usually less concerned with someone smuggling something out of the country than smuggling something in. About the only thing they would have cared about leaving the country like that on…

I don't think you could be right. There are lots of things that could be smuggled out of a country at all times: Precious metals, precious art and historical artifacts, Money and Drugs, etc... A country does care about what is coming out of its territory. If you have a high incidence of drugs coming out of Japan, the country will be flagged by the other countries. This makes shipping both expensive and difficult. > T…

I’d assume that the likelihood that a passenger on a private jet would intend to hijack it or blow it up is rather low. Which is what the TSA cares about. Even if that happens it’s of lesser concern to the public than if it happened on a passenger jet.

Re: Carlos Ghosn: How I escaped Japan

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Post by wwtrv »

Google234 wrote: post #133
alksjdalkj wrote: post #115

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> I would bet that Japanese in the U.S. evince rates of criminality more similar to those of Japanese in Japan than to the rest of American society What makes you believe that? If true, what might cause that to be the case?

I think most people know that Asians in the US commit less crime than other races. As for why, there are probably cultural reasons.

Or rather economic reasons, the difference between the median income for Asian Americans is about the same as the difference between white people and African Americans.

Re: Carlos Ghosn: How I escaped Japan

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Post by forty »

NoImmatureAdHom wrote: post #195
forty wrote: post #178

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I think listing genes is probably crossing the line. It's not like there is a gene for crime that some category of people would have more or less...

I'm genuinely curious to know how you think about that line. What is the transgression here in your mind? Merely mentioning that genes affect behavior is not allowed (even though it's true, or maybe it doesn't matter if it's true), or you actually believe the claim "genes affect behavior within the human species" is false? I agree with you that we can't tell from a single gene whether someone is likely to be a crimin…

Genes are certainly affecting the behavior somehow. That doesn't mean they are relevant. Cultural and educational factors have certainly a much bigger impact on behavior than any gene related effects.

Example of flawed reasoning similar to yours: genes have probably an impact on the way we speak (it's impacting the shape of our tongue somehow, etc etc). So maybe the French have their accent due to some genetic factors, and we could predict someone's accent looking at their genes. Well it turns out in practice, if you have "French genes" and are born and raised in a US environment, you'll have an American accent indistinguishable from someone with "US genes"

The same goes with criminal behavior.

Re: Carlos Ghosn: How I escaped Japan

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Post by emteycz »

killingtime74 wrote: post #202
sunstone wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing I can't believe is that Japan's trading partners like USA, Canada, UK, Europe etc. haven't said boo about this outrageous miscarriage of justice in which the Japanese government has been complicit. As for as I know not one government has spoken out publicly.

Carlos Ghosn is a small potato. His only connection to those countries you listed is France. Does he have connections with French politicians? Probably not.

Justice is now dependent on having connections to politicians? In the great social paradise of EU? Good grief

Re: Carlos Ghosn: How I escaped Japan

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Post by baybal2 »

xnyan wrote: post #190
baybal2 wrote: post #182

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I advice you to reform the US federal criminal law. It's a glaring injustice that a completely random innocent person can be prosecuted for saying "I don't know"

Where do you live? I can guarantee your state security/police operates in a roughly comparable manner.

I live in places where light doesn't shine not of really my own choosing, because the Western establishment is really determined on destroying its business, and industry.

It's a shame that people who do have an option to not to live in hellholes, and having functioning democracy can't lift a finger to do something about that instead of doing nothing, while rambling on internet forums.

Re: Carlos Ghosn: How I escaped Japan

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Post by rakoo »

I don't understand. This guy fled the justice system of a democracy, and we are telling the story as if he were the hero escaping the gulag of some authoritarian country. Why do we tell his story as if it was "good" ?

Re: Carlos Ghosn: How I escaped Japan

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Post by totalZero »

rakoo wrote: post #219

I don't understand. This guy fled the justice system of a democracy, and we are telling the story as if he were the hero escaping the gulag of some authoritarian country. Why do we tell his story as if it was "good" ?

It is worth noting that he is the one telling the story here.
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