All luggage is supposed to undergo a security check in an X-ray machine. This is true for private jets as well. I am curious how it played out in this particular case. Did it go through an X-ray machine or not? If yes, how did they mistook a human for a musical instrument?
Carlos Ghosn: How I escaped Japan
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#82So, the justice system in Japan enforces additional restrictions after a person is out on bail ? He couldn't meet his wife seems like an unreasonable condition for someone out on bail. Also, is the justice system in Japan so backed up that he would have to wait years for it go to trial ?
Japan's conviction rate is above 99%. If you're arrested you can be held for up to 23 days without access to a lawyer. Japan's justice system is far from perfect.
> Japan's conviction rate is above 99%.
Because Japan doesn't have a plea bargain system. That 99% figure is very similar to the conviction+plea bargain rate in e.g. the US.
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#83>Until then, he remains a once-big-fish in a small pond, living in exile and under armed guard in Beirut for the foreseeable future. How secure is he in Beruit? If Japan really wanted him badly, I would guess he would be pretty easy for Israeli Mossad to pick up.
It's pretty easy for Mossad to pick up whoever they want, but he's accused of white-collar crime, not matters of national security; I'd be surprised if Israel (or any other country) would be willing to deploy their intelligence services and violate another nation's sovereignty over it. Is that something they've ever done?
Why would you hear about it...?
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#84All luggage is supposed to undergo a security check in an X-ray machine. This is true for private jets as well. I am curious how it played out in this particular case. Did it go through an X-ray machine or not? If yes, how did they mistook a human for a musical instrument?
The box was chosen to be too large to fit in the x-ray machine. The checks were lax for private jets. I assume this loophole is already closed.
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you ever thought the American justice system is bad, look into the Japanese one. The whole system is designed to make you confess and apologize. They will literally lie to you and tell you it will all go away if you sign the confession paperwork. You dont get a lawyer while they do this, and they get to keep you for quite a bit of time before you get a lawyer. They also dont do trial by jury, but inquisitorial jud…
Even if you have the mental strength to resist interrogation and not make a false confession, it might be in your interest to confess to speed things up. If you no-showed at work for 3 weeks, would you lose your job? But if you confess, you could be out today. Here is an account of being arrested and detained in Japan[1]. It's worth a read, especially given the ending. [1] https://nymag.com/vindicated/2016/11/truth-l…
So she was falsely accused, detained for a week, and released with apparently no consequences? That's not great, but it's hardly a uniquely Japanese horror story either.
For comparison, back in the Land of the Free, here's a kid in New York who was jailed for three years on Rikers Island for a similar false accusation of theft:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/10/06/before-the-law
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
> According to my auto mechanic friends Nissan once ranked up there with Toyota and Honda for reliability, but their quality plummeted after the Renault deal. Nissan went to crap when they took a controlling stake in JATCO and started using those god awful CVT's in everything, and then stopped putting any effort into their sports cars to keep them competitive enough to lure enthusiasts to their brand. I owned a GT-R…
Exactly this! Ghosn saved Nissan by focusing on optimizing and reducing costs and while that must've helped a lot in the short/medium term it came at a cost in the long term. It's as if Nissan had gotten stuck in the last decade of tech for cars. They went from competing with Porsche and having popular electric cars to basically being an afterthought in the market.
To be fair R35 GT-R was Ghosn's project.
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#87honestly i dopnt think ghosn is really the big issue anyways. as stated in the article this is more about renault than ghosn. he was just collateral, probably because he didnt wanna pick sides . probably wouldn't have been arrested if he stepped down but if you ran 2 different companies in 2 different places would you.
> probably because he didnt wanna pick sides
Ghosn was pushing the merger. His plan was the headquarters the merged holding company outside both Japan and France where he would have yet even less supervision.
Ghosn pillaged Nissan and Renault, and a merger was his perfect chance to cover the tracks.
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#88Well, here is what I'm curious about. Which of these conditions is valid justification for violating house arrest and fleeing a jurisdiction that you are being prosecuted in? -- You believe the charges or prosecution is being unfairly conducted -- You believe you are innocent -- You believe public opinion is on your side -- You have a more favorable jurisdiction you can flee to Is it up to you to decide that you're i…
That's like asking when violent revolution is justified. There is certainly a point where it's legitimate, but the people undertaking it have a rather biased perspective.
People at every level do what they can to evade justice systems, and of course the richer you are the more dramatic that will be. IMO it's more relevant for us to judge for ourselves whether he was right or not. Did he flee a system that we consider fair and reasonable, or one that's arbitrary and unjust?
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#89>Until then, he remains a once-big-fish in a small pond, living in exile and under armed guard in Beirut for the foreseeable future. How secure is he in Beruit? If Japan really wanted him badly, I would guess he would be pretty easy for Israeli Mossad to pick up.
> How secure is he in Beruit? If Japan really wanted him badly, I would guess he would be pretty easy for Israeli Mossad to pick up. The Mossad only does what's in the national interest of Israel, they are not bounty hunters for hire. If Japan really wants Ghosn they will either have to send their own team with all the headaches that entails and/or they will need to negotiate with the various groups currently in cont…
Not a priority for justice, but Ghosn is instead prime material for a house trade. Foreign loans in exchange for an extradition treaty, etc. It might not happen now, but Ghosn needs it not to happen for the rest of his natural life. Japan only needs one chance. Ghosn needs an unstable country to stay together and be not-desperate for a long time.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
We can agree they’re both fucked up in their own specific ways, along with many other systems. We can hold hands at the bottom of the pit, no need for a winner. > litteraly lie to you BTW in a lot of countries they are basically immune to perjury, so this is just par for course
There are hundreds of countries on this planet. Are you sure U.S. and JP are at the bottom?
I agree it was a stupid thing to say...sorry