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EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Post by BelenusMordred »

Schlaefer wrote: post #39
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That and it's also the most wasteful use of fuel, because you're lifting an entire jet and crew for more than likely a single rich jerk who feels too special to fly passenger jets like everyone else. On a carbon-per-person metric, private jets are literally the worst .

Who talks about jets or crews? This doesn't affect billionaires, but private and recreational use of mostly small propeller planes. Flying is expensive, but it isn't a privilege of "rich jerks". You want to make it a privilege for the elite, then go ahead and tax it to death.

Small props use barely any fuel per nautical mile, the actual extra cost here for a recreational pilot is absolutely tiny. A large 4X4 has a slightly smaller tank than a Cessna 172 and has nowhere near the range.

The outrage is misdirected. We are talking about negligible increase in cost here for general aviation.

Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Post by js8 »

tracedddd wrote: post #95
js8 wrote: post #54

Ultra-rich don't have to pay any taxes, perfectly legally, according to recent ProPublica files: https://www.propublica.org/article/the-secret-irs-files-trov... So why would they pay jet fuel tax, too? This has nothing to do with global warming, it's all about tax avoidance, it fits the pattern.

The wealthy certainly enjoy special tax advantages, but this article should come as no surprise. You pay taxes when you sell your stock. So not selling any stock for a year and not taking a salary means you pay no taxes. That’s just like everyone else. Of course you can’t spend your money or diversity without selling, either, so it’s really more of a delayed tax.

Sure, it's the same law for everybody, just like everybody can just travel with their own personal jet for a "business purpose", right?

Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Post by yongjik »

brobdingnagians wrote: post #7

To me, this just drives home the point that it is more about control than about anything scientific. The wealthy class want their perks and privileges while corraling the plebeians so that we won't use "their precious resources" or ruining their enjoyments.

I hate this kind of rhetoric. Frankly that sounds like: "A proposed solution A to problem X has another problem Y, which proves that it was never about X, and consequently I will refuse to acknowledge problem X - if anyone doesn't like it, it's their fault for not being able to create a perfect solution that gets my approval."

Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Post by erdo »

AndrewBissell wrote: post #3
jey wrote: post #2

This seems to be the upstream source article: https://www.argusmedia.com/en/news/2231434-eu-draft-exempts-...

Much more substantive and less editorialized, thank you!

Although still a press article, anyone have a link to the actual draft?

Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Post by [deleted] »

unethical_ban wrote: post #89
ArkanExplorer wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its been the same with lockdown. Enforce totalitarian restrictions and tracking on the plebes, whilst the rich and connected routinely ignore or are excluded from the rules. Its possible that Lockdown is a ploy to distract from the trillions of dollars of money printing that has gone on during the pandemic, to suppress the inflation generated, as well as to normalise location and biological data collection and arbitr…

I don't understand people who think that, at hundreds or thousands of municipal and state levels, political leaders were secretly in meetings with robes nodding excitedly over the opportunity to oppress the masses. Or that an unknown, highly contagious respiratory disease causing hospitals to overflow with no vaccine available didn't warrant some kind of mandates against public interactions. It boggles my mind what k…

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Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Post by tasogare »

jbay808 wrote: post #68
brobdingnagians wrote: post #7

To me, this just drives home the point that it is more about control than about anything scientific. The wealthy class want their perks and privileges while corraling the plebeians so that we won't use "their precious resources" or ruining their enjoyments.

The wealthy class are, presumably, wealthy enough to pay the carbon tax and still enjoy the perks and privileges of private jets though? It's not like they're being exempted from a ban on flying private jets, but rather a tax on them. Their wealth itself was already their ticket to perks and privilege, because it lets them pay the tax.

GP is right. The real point of carbon-tax (and the heavy promotion of global warming) is not to address the underlying issue but to extract wealth from the 99.9% and redirect it to the riches. Any other occasions will be used as such: for example recently the covid was used to kill small businesses and fed the big corporations, which stock rised hugely.

Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Post by bserge »

BelenusMordred wrote: post #5

> Private jets will enjoy an exemption through classification of "business aviation" as the use of aircraft by firms for carriage of passengers or goods as an "aid to the conduct of their business", if generally considered not for public hire. > A further exemption is given for "pleasure" flights whereby an aircraft is used for "personal or recreational" purposes not associated with a business or professional use. Su…

Don't worry, we peasants can recycle bottles for a few months to offset that.

Honestly, I hope some private jets get blown the hell up in the future.

Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Post by whiddershins »

rektide wrote: post #33
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That and it's also the most wasteful use of fuel, because you're lifting an entire jet and crew for more than likely a single rich jerk who feels too special to fly passenger jets like everyone else. On a carbon-per-person metric, private jets are literally the worst .

> On a carbon-per-person metric, private jets are literally the worst. Were the worst. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_tourism

Wait but rockets don’t use fossil fuels, do they?

Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Post by bserge »

avalys wrote: post #82
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That and it's also the most wasteful use of fuel, because you're lifting an entire jet and crew for more than likely a single rich jerk who feels too special to fly passenger jets like everyone else. On a carbon-per-person metric, private jets are literally the worst .

Private jets are completely irrelevant to global warming because there are not enough of them. They’re a convenient distraction from the problem that actually curbing global warming will require huge changes in the lifestyle of the global middle class. Not just the super-rich.

Why are they exempt? It's just blatant power flaunting by the wealthy at this point.

Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Post by ksec »

Schlaefer wrote: post #39
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That and it's also the most wasteful use of fuel, because you're lifting an entire jet and crew for more than likely a single rich jerk who feels too special to fly passenger jets like everyone else. On a carbon-per-person metric, private jets are literally the worst .

Who talks about jets or crews? This doesn't affect billionaires, but private and recreational use of mostly small propeller planes. Flying is expensive, but it isn't a privilege of "rich jerks". You want to make it a privilege for the elite, then go ahead and tax it to death.

Thank You. This makes a lot more sense. But I assume owner of recreational planes could be exempt and Private Jet, mostly for billionaires and business could still be taxed?

Or am I missing something?

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