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EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Post by reedjosh »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #56

Every time shit like this happens, it destroys faith of ordinary citizens in the system. The more likely they are to conclide that this is a mugs game and less likely to follow the law when noone is watching

> The more likely they are to conclide that this is a mugs game

This is one of the primary reasons I'm a pure libertarian. The more in depth research I did, the more I found it's nothing but a rigged game.

It truly is like the joke that's along the lines of:

"What's the difference between the government and the mob?"

"The mob didn't get 12,000 hours of schooling to convince you it's necessary."

Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Post by avalys »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #14
BelenusMordred wrote: post #5

> Private jets will enjoy an exemption through classification of "business aviation" as the use of aircraft by firms for carriage of passengers or goods as an "aid to the conduct of their business", if generally considered not for public hire. > A further exemption is given for "pleasure" flights whereby an aircraft is used for "personal or recreational" purposes not associated with a business or professional use. Su…

That and it's also the most wasteful use of fuel, because you're lifting an entire jet and crew for more than likely a single rich jerk who feels too special to fly passenger jets like everyone else. On a carbon-per-person metric, private jets are literally the worst .

Private jets are completely irrelevant to global warming because there are not enough of them.

They’re a convenient distraction from the problem that actually curbing global warming will require huge changes in the lifestyle of the global middle class. Not just the super-rich.

Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Post by gambiting »

systemvoltage wrote: post #58
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That and it's also the most wasteful use of fuel, because you're lifting an entire jet and crew for more than likely a single rich jerk who feels too special to fly passenger jets like everyone else. On a carbon-per-person metric, private jets are literally the worst .

I know it is cool to hate on rich people these days but the amount of CO2 pollution created by handful of private jets is miniscule compared to the rest of the aviation industry which is still miniscule compared to general transportion, agriculture and meat industry. Just keep the magnitude in context, I think it is still an issue but our focus needs to be appropriately allocated. Should we also care that rich people…

Me dumping a bunch of tyres into a nearby river would be absolutely negligible compared to global pollution, yes it's still not allowed. A single private jet flight is incredibly polluting yet we allow it to be exempt from pollution tax because......on a grand scale it's nothing? Hmmmmmmm.

Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Post by whatever1 »

rootusrootus wrote: post #53
whatever1 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The West has been consuming fossils to fuel their industrial revolution for centuries, but now that is time of the East to use energy and grow, we tell them that energy is bad for the environment and that they have to pay tax or buy expensive energy (renewables)

So we should be okay with the massive pollution now because they're entitled to it because we did it in the past? I think it would be better for developing countries to try and skip as much of the dirty bits as possible and leapfrog to the best we can get from modern technology.

I think that every country deserves a fair opportunity to grow with cheap energy. We took advantage of it, and in the process we created huge externalities. We should clean after our mess first and then try to lecture the developing countries.

Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Post by AndrewBissell »

avalys wrote: post #82
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That and it's also the most wasteful use of fuel, because you're lifting an entire jet and crew for more than likely a single rich jerk who feels too special to fly passenger jets like everyone else. On a carbon-per-person metric, private jets are literally the worst .

Private jets are completely irrelevant to global warming because there are not enough of them. They’re a convenient distraction from the problem that actually curbing global warming will require huge changes in the lifestyle of the global middle class. Not just the super-rich.

Not at all the super-rich seems more like the intended trajectory.

Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Post by tpmx »

AndrewBissell wrote: post #72
tpmx wrote: post #60

Blog spam (edit: link now changed to something less clickbaity). The original source, anyway: https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/draft-... The European Commission has drafted plans to set an EU-wide minimum tax rate for polluting aviation fuels, as it seeks to meet more ambitious targets to fight climate change, a document seen by Reuters shows. ... Introducing the proposals could be politically di…

I'd be happy to see the link changed to the Argus article linked by jey earlier. The Reuters article buries the lede.

I'd say that part is pretty much taken care of with the post headline.

Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Post by rubyist5eva »

peterpost2 wrote: post #50
rubyist5eva wrote: post #26

Just goes to show fighting climate change is nothing but a power grab that makes life more miserable for regular people and making them more dependent on the rich and government.

[Citation needed]

It's called a history book in the section of "governments doing things for your own good".

Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Post by clusterfish »

overscore wrote: post #47
Schlaefer wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who talks about jets or crews? This doesn't affect billionaires, but private and recreational use of mostly small propeller planes. Flying is expensive, but it isn't a privilege of "rich jerks". You want to make it a privilege for the elite, then go ahead and tax it to death.

GA in the EU is definitely the preserve of the rich.

It's mostly government regulations that made it that way. Small deregulated aircraft are a lot more affordable.

Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Post by unethical_ban »

ArkanExplorer wrote: post #69
brobdingnagians wrote: post #7

To me, this just drives home the point that it is more about control than about anything scientific. The wealthy class want their perks and privileges while corraling the plebeians so that we won't use "their precious resources" or ruining their enjoyments.

Its been the same with lockdown. Enforce totalitarian restrictions and tracking on the plebes, whilst the rich and connected routinely ignore or are excluded from the rules. Its possible that Lockdown is a ploy to distract from the trillions of dollars of money printing that has gone on during the pandemic, to suppress the inflation generated, as well as to normalise location and biological data collection and arbitr…

I don't understand people who think that, at hundreds or thousands of municipal and state levels, political leaders were secretly in meetings with robes nodding excitedly over the opportunity to oppress the masses. Or that an unknown, highly contagious respiratory disease causing hospitals to overflow with no vaccine available didn't warrant some kind of mandates against public interactions.

It boggles my mind what kind of conspiratorial, Truman-Show-like mentality people must have to find bad faith so common in life.

It is the party of those in America who were against lockdowns, masks, vaccines, or any kind of precautions who are also against any kind of regulations or limits on the causes of obesity or climate change or pollution. So your comment about "why do 'they' care about the virus but not pollution" is moot.

Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Post by ossobucco »

LatteLazy wrote: post #31

Bear in mind the author of this piece [0] is a crazy brexiteer somewhere on the far far right... [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Staines

Are you implying:

"Keep in mind messenger's political leanings. Ignore politicians' hypocrisy!" ?

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