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EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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That and it's also the most wasteful use of fuel, because you're lifting an entire jet and crew for more than likely a single rich jerk who feels too special to fly passenger jets like everyone else. On a carbon-per-person metric, private jets are literally the worst .

Private jets are completely irrelevant to global warming because there are not enough of them. They’re a convenient distraction from the problem that actually curbing global warming will require huge changes in the lifestyle of the global middle class. Not just the super-rich.

> curbing global warming will require huge changes in the lifestyle of the global middle class.

Except it won't.

It will cause some large industries to cease to exist though.

Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That and it's also the most wasteful use of fuel, because you're lifting an entire jet and crew for more than likely a single rich jerk who feels too special to fly passenger jets like everyone else. On a carbon-per-person metric, private jets are literally the worst .

Private jets are completely irrelevant to global warming because there are not enough of them. They’re a convenient distraction from the problem that actually curbing global warming will require huge changes in the lifestyle of the global middle class. Not just the super-rich.

Flights from Paris to Munich are also irrelevant to global warming in isolation, but they don't get a special tax cutout.

Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Who talks about jets or crews? This doesn't affect billionaires, but private and recreational use of mostly small propeller planes. Flying is expensive, but it isn't a privilege of "rich jerks". You want to make it a privilege for the elite, then go ahead and tax it to death.

GA in the EU is definitely the preserve of the rich.

It’s really not that expensive, especially in eastern european countries like Romania.

Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Ultra-rich don't have to pay any taxes, perfectly legally, according to recent ProPublica files: https://www.propublica.org/article/the-secret-irs-files-trov... So why would they pay jet fuel tax, too? This has nothing to do with global warming, it's all about tax avoidance, it fits the pattern.

The wealthy certainly enjoy special tax advantages, but this article should come as no surprise. You pay taxes when you sell your stock. So not selling any stock for a year and not taking a salary means you pay no taxes. That’s just like everyone else. Of course you can’t spend your money or diversity without selling, either, so it’s really more of a delayed tax.

Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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> On a carbon-per-person metric, private jets are literally the worst. Were the worst. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_tourism

This just makes the per-person metric a useless metric. There's not a lot of space flights to even point it out as a issue.

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Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Brussels eurocrats might enjoy comfy flights.

Exactly. Taxes for thee, not for me... they are one of the most privileged class in Europe. Unbelievable amount of privileges even most local politicians or bureaucrats do not have.

Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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Bear in mind the author of this piece [0] is a crazy brexiteer somewhere on the far far right... [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Staines

Thank you. Crazy brexiteer (and Reuters) dismissed. Resuming normal gushing over EU government.

Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That and it's also the most wasteful use of fuel, because you're lifting an entire jet and crew for more than likely a single rich jerk who feels too special to fly passenger jets like everyone else. On a carbon-per-person metric, private jets are literally the worst .

If the only ones allowed to emit net positive CO2 where those rich enough to afford private planes global warming wouldn't be an issue because there are not enough of them. It is still a evil corrupt practice to except the rich like this though. The same laws need to apply to everyone, which means my time on an airplane counts for as much as anyone else even though I can only afford to fly at all because I buy one se…

And it's not even about forbidding them to so it. It's just about paying a little bit of taxes.

Is the fuel taxes such a big part of the cost of flying a private jet?

Is it just that those people hate paying taxes on principle (and manage to lobby for it)?

Re: EU draft exempts private jets, cargo from jet fuel tax

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A relevant video examining the potential alternatives to jet fuel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_BK7PRugK4 A TL;DW is that biofuels are unscalable and worse for the environment than standard fuels. Hydrogen is not yet viable, and would require entirely new aircraft designs. Electricity will likely never be viable for all but the smallest low-range aircraft. E-fuels (fuel made using carbon capture) is not yet viab…

Since it's a 25 minute video (ugh): what's the tl;dw for why biofuels are unscalable and worse for the environment?
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