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Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by gambiting »

hulitu wrote: post #148
throwaway744678 wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The technology exists, right. But have you experienced it anywhere outside of China? I, for one, have not (at least in the UE). I strongly believe that the average western customer is not be willing to go through such a process.

You cannot activate a sim card in Germany without proof of ID

That's hardly comparable though. No one is taking your voice print and biometric details to match everything you ever say or do against you just to activate a sim card. Not to mention that buying a travel sim card that doesn't require ID is absolutely trivial, or even getting one shipped from any other European country which doesn't have this requirement is simple and easy.

Yeah it's a faff, but at least no one will accuse you of being an enemy of the state if you do this like trying to avoid tagging in China.

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Post by cercatrova »

throwaway744678 wrote: post #124
rvnx wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This verification process exists in Europe as well (it's called liveness verification), example: https://www.jumio.com/technology/live-detection/

The technology exists, right. But have you experienced it anywhere outside of China? I, for one, have not (at least in the UE). I strongly believe that the average western customer is not be willing to go through such a process.

Yes, in the US, when signing up for cryptocurrency related services like Coinbase or Binance I believe.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by nchie »

gentleman11 wrote: post #83
rococode wrote: post #23

For context, these are China's current restrictions on gaming for minors (under age 18): - Maximum 1.5 hours of gaming on weekdays - Maximum 3 hours of gaming on weekends - No games between 10pm and 8am (note that school typically starts between 7 and 8am) South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I think Vietnam may have something similar as…

The backdrop to this is how unbelievably predatory f2p East Asian games are when it comes to slot machine mechanics and whale hunting. Most adults in Japan, I read, think of video games as if they are the same as casino games. It wasn’t until 10 years ago that the west really got on that bandwagon, but now I think we’re leaders in this. Eg, blizzard switching f2p games with loot boxes so heavily, and aiming to make a…

From what I've read, we're still very much beginners when it comes to this in the west.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by nchie »

zepto wrote: post #78
softwaredoug wrote: post #37

Obviously there’s cultural factors at play, I just wonder whether strategically it’s wise to teach kids externally imposed restrictions rather than learning to restrict themselves intrinsically because something else is worth doing? It’s kind of the metaphor of the kid with the very strict upbringing that has no self control when they move away from their family.

You can move away from your family, but not from government control.

Well, you can..?

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Post by jamil7 »

rjzzleep wrote: post #150
jamil7 wrote: post #140

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Most (all maybe?) of the new German banks and fintech products seem to offer it as they have no physical branches, you can often open accounts directly from your smartphone. Some will offer a way of identifying yourself via a post office with your passport too.

What the person above means is different. If you open an account, nowadays you have to ask someone that already has a Wechat account to scan a QR code to vouch that you are indeed who you claim to be. It doesn't actually do ID identification though and it doesn't have to be a Chinese mainland user. It can be any other active Wechat account. Full ID Identification only works with a China mainland bank account IIRC. Wh…

Got it, thanks for clarifying.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by jobigoud »

crvdgc wrote: post #79
optymizer wrote: post #33

So what happens if a minor staples a cutout of Wolverine's face on their face?

I don't know if it's deployed in this case, but some facial recognition process in Chinese apps like Alipay requires the user to turn their face left and right to a certain angle, and the whole continuous movement is used for verification.

Imagine being an adult and having to submit to that just to play some game at night...

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Post by dirtyid »

rococode wrote: post #23

For context, these are China's current restrictions on gaming for minors (under age 18): - Maximum 1.5 hours of gaming on weekdays - Maximum 3 hours of gaming on weekends - No games between 10pm and 8am (note that school typically starts between 7 and 8am) South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I think Vietnam may have something similar as…

Also limits monthly microtransactions from $28 to $57 depending on age. Knowing Chinese chicken (helicopter) parents, these restrictions are overwhelmingly government listening to public opinion. Sucks for the kids, but really only affects always online products from domestic services. Infinite amount of offline DRM free options to still waste time on, much less gacha/gambly than what's being pushed these days. Kids grew up on gameboys and emulators fine - I know folks with strict parents that that gamed exclusively on a TI83. This is far from an effective ban on video games.

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Post by cercatrova »

Closi wrote: post #99
Uehreka wrote: post #76

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The problem is that then the CCP won’t respond with “Oh no! They circumvented our invasive measures!” They’ll say “Hmm, they circumvented our invasive measures, I guess we’ll need even more invasive measures that are harder to circumvent.” This isn’t a game kids are gonna be able to win if the government is sufficiently committed to this goal.

Absolutely, and it also depends on enforcement. If you know there is no punishment for circumventing controls, then you would do it, however if you thought that circumvention might result in the CPP knocking on your door you would think twice.

What did C Plus Plus ever do to you?

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Post by _rmrf »

elia_is_me wrote: post #105
umvi wrote: post #50

China seems on track to build the ultimate police state

it's tencent, not China - tencent just find a smart way to collect personal data. some giants like Tencent or Huawei or Alibaba, etc are always trying to collect citizens' personal data like your face id, your voices, you phone number, .... everything related to you.

Tencent works with/for the CCP

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Post by saithound »

adflux wrote: post #120
saithound wrote: post #113

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> But then, this is a gov't that does not trust its citizens to raise their own children, or even historically to decide how many kids to have. The Chinese government is worse than most others, but not for this reason. All governments and societies make all kinds of "tyrannical" rules about raising children, in the name of limiting harm to children. This is no different. In Germany, the government does not trust pare…

>. All governments and societies make all kinds of "tyrannical" rules about raising children, in the name of limiting harm to children No, they objectively don't, wtf. Stop normalizing this kind of behavior

Feel free to name at least one government or society which has no such rules.

All societies have them, and many such rules are widely accepted by the societies that have them as beneficial. E.g. such laws are the reason parents are not allowed to expose their children to obscene images, even if the parents really are convinced that doing so would benefit their children.

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