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Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by ev1 »

perihelions wrote: post #31

This is I believe the first time in human history that AI video cameras have been widely deployed, inside private homes, for the purpose of enforcing laws. Never mind the banal details: this is an incredible milestone.

The chinese app wechat already does this in private homes for the purpose of enforcing KYC and "misinformation tracking" - you are required to repeat after it, repeat every phoneme/syllable to form a voiceprint (and coincidentally enough to basically train something to replicate your speech), look straight ahead, rotate around your head, and follow its instructions to sign in again.

Also, asking two verified-ID mainland china users to "vouch" for you and be responsible for your activities if you are a foreigner.

Almost every service in China requires "real name verification" - you can't play games without it, for example.

This has been place for several years, https://i.imgur.com/FBrCwuX.jpg

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by [deleted] »

jbluepolarbear wrote: post #67
HeavenFox wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is cultural. In Confucianism, the relationship between a father and a son, a superior and their subordinate, a state and its citizen are considered equal. Therefore it is considered normal for the state to be paternalistic. Also, collective responsibility takes precedence over individual freedom. Each person is supposed to conform to its role in society. Children’s role is to study, rather than play video games al…

What do they do to people that can’t conform?

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Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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industriousthou wrote: post #40
josephcsible wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I'm disappointed but not surprised that China makes rules like this, but I always thought South Korea was basically a free country and never expected this sort of rule from them.

So, generally, I really dislike this kind of paternalism. This rule in particular doesn't seem that crazy, but enforcement just seems completely unrealistic without major privacy violations. Maybe that's why I dislike this kind of paternalism.

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Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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ashleyn wrote: post #57
perihelions wrote: post #31

This is I believe the first time in human history that AI video cameras have been widely deployed, inside private homes, for the purpose of enforcing laws. Never mind the banal details: this is an incredible milestone.

The real clever kids will eventually realise you can just tape a post-it note to your head with "ADULT" written in sharpie.

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Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by elia_is_me »

umvi wrote: post #50

China seems on track to build the ultimate police state

it's tencent, not China - tencent just find a smart way to collect personal data.

some giants like Tencent or Huawei or Alibaba, etc are always trying to collect citizens' personal data like your face id, your voices, you phone number, .... everything related to you.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by [deleted] »

industriousthou wrote: post #40
josephcsible wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I'm disappointed but not surprised that China makes rules like this, but I always thought South Korea was basically a free country and never expected this sort of rule from them.

So, generally, I really dislike this kind of paternalism. This rule in particular doesn't seem that crazy, but enforcement just seems completely unrealistic without major privacy violations. Maybe that's why I dislike this kind of paternalism.

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Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by username90 »

lmm wrote: post #21
gruez wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Giving a company daily scans of your face is much worse than a credit card number. Your face can't be changed, and can be used to identify in public (at least while you're walking around). Meanwhile a credit card number can be changed at will (just call your bank), and can't be used to identify you in public. If a company holding your credit card number gets hacked, that can be resolved with a 10 minute call to you b…

Is it really? If I visited a traditional physical shop, I'd expect the staff to be able to recognise my face, but I probably wouldn't want them to know my credit card number.

You never paid with a credit card at a store? I feel people are much more ok with that than being filmed. Credit card numbers are meant to be sent to companies, pictures of your face aren't.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by jumelles »

josephcsible wrote: post #35
rococode wrote: post #23

For context, these are China's current restrictions on gaming for minors (under age 18): - Maximum 1.5 hours of gaming on weekdays - Maximum 3 hours of gaming on weekends - No games between 10pm and 8am (note that school typically starts between 7 and 8am) South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I think Vietnam may have something similar as…

> South Korea has similar types of restrictions, by the way. No gaming for minors (under 16) between midnight and 6am. I'm disappointed but not surprised that China makes rules like this, but I always thought South Korea was basically a free country and never expected this sort of rule from them.

Porn is also illegal in South Korea.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by Tade0 »

gruez wrote: post #6
im3w1l wrote: post #5

Microsofts decision to require cameras in windows 11 will enable initiatives like this.

>Microsofts decision to require cameras in windows 11 except it's laptop only and only applies to systems sold by OEMs. Speaking of which, when was the last time you saw a laptop that didn't have a webcam? Laptops were pretty common even on low-mid tier laptops from the early 00s. For fun let's also exclude the niche laptops like pinebook or what have you, because I doubt buyers of those laptops need the OEM to pre-i…

> Speaking of which, when was the last time you saw a laptop that didn't have a webcam?

Asus Zephyrus G14. I see it as a safety feature.

Re: Tencent deploys facial recognition to detect minors gaming at night

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Post by Bancakes »

kiba wrote: post #77
noduerme wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had no idea such laws existed. That's pretty crazy. But then, this is a gov't that does not trust its citizens to raise their own children, or even historically to decide how many kids to have. When I was a kid in America, my parents disallowed videogames in the house. No NES or Genesis for us. On the occasions I'd go over to other kids' houses and play, I had no idea what I was doing. On the one hand, this seemed…

My impression is that they're trying to solve problems with real or perceived problem of video game addictions.

People's dopamine receptors don't know videogames from masturbation or other addictive activities. Or drugs.
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