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‘Great Resignation’ gains steam as return-to-work plans take effect

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Vets with 5+ years of specific subdomain experience within the company's ecosystem (along with experienced engineers who have experience from elsewhere) are much harder to replace.

FAANGs have 10s to 100s of thousands of employees. "Vets" are a lot less irreplaceable than you might think.

Technical debt is technical debt.

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In my experience at least talking to some younger people there is a clear dichotomy: despite all the talk about Gen Z being "digital natives", people new in their career are much hungrier to get back into the office because they don't yet have good career networks built up and they're eager for mentorship. It is older, or at least more established workers who are less keen on that. I don't think FAANGs will have any…

From a single, young: I miss the office for.. - Free and convenient food. - Social chatter & engagement. - Making friends with employees who I don't know and connecting with new employees. - Work life separation (balance). - Proper workstation, climate controlled environment. - Sense of belonging - team outing, after hours beers.. - Intra and inter company sports and games. - Meeting potential dates. [Not me. Just em…

How does

> Work life separation (balance).

jibe with

> - Social chatter & engagement.

> - Sense of belonging - team outing, after hours beers..

> - Intra and inter company sports and games.

> - Meeting potential dates.

?

* "Single, young" "person" rips off its mask out of ravenous anger to reveal a 400 year-old lizardoid smacking its chops at the humans in it's vicinity.*

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I experienced all of these to a much better degree during college. Are you sure you don't just want to live in a city that provides plenty of shared spaces? Relying on your employer for these items seems unwise.

This. So much this. Young professionals need to learn the difference between friends and colleagues. When working from home it's hard to blur that line. As far as chatter goes, nobody wants that. It's distracting to those around you. When we were at the office we were chatting over IM to cut down on the noise. Guess what? We're still chatting over IM while WFH. Besides, many companies are adopting a hybrid plan anywa…

Not everyone you meet at work needs to be your "Best friend forever and always."

I just like talking to people. I like being able to go down the hall and solving a problem in 5 minutes that would take 3 days and 3 meetings WFH. I am "friendly" with many people in the office. I socialize with them.

They aren't dear dear friends but they are acquaintances that have helped me out of tight spots and I helped them. I can't tell you how many times I've been helped through these sort of relationships.

If you're introverted just say it. There's nothing wrong with it. But there's nothing wrong with socializing either.

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Google and Amazon are both in Madison.

I know the Google building but I was not aware Amazon was in Madison in any substantive manner. Is it an Amazon building or a company they acquired?

Shopbop. https://www.amazon.jobs/en/location/madison-wi

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> Going rate for someone in India that is as good as me is about 60% of my pay Ah, totally not an inflated sense of self worth... do you have a source for that number? New grad salaries for even graduates of top CS programs in India are between 1/4th and 1/3rd of $100k [1]. For most other good graduates it's lower. So what you said is incredibly ignorant and arrogant. Do better. You're not as special as you think. ht…

I'm not a new grad though, I have many years of experience, and a history of being worth paying. I'm not allowed to see real numbers, but I'm told that real pay is around that range by those who do in my company. Note that in India people work longer hours, so per hour you are getting down to less than 50% of my wages.

> Note that in India people work longer hours

Grasping at straws here.

> I have many years of experience, and a history of being worth paying

Seems like your ego can't handle it. Why do you think that there aren't similar people elsewhere in the world? You can't keep throwing random numbers without sources to back them up. The reality is that your job can be done by many others living in a country with lower COL with much, much less money.

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The problem is that the req to live within 100mi doesn’t allow workers to fully engage in location arbitrage in the way the workers would like. I think most people want a better work/life balance, which is what all this ultimately represents. I imagine the eventual long term settle is somewhere more in the “wfh, but with team gatherings for a few days once a month” in a lot of industries.

I think you nailed it, but an added wrinkle is that I’ve seen a lot of people (myself included) have worse work/life balance with wfh. When there’s no separation between you and “the office” it’s very easy to just never stop working. The number of night time emails and after hours meetings I’ve gotten skyrocketed after everyone started working from home, and it’s a similar situation across my broader friends & cowork…

That's a personal problem for you to solve by setting boundaries, honestly. I doubt those late emails will ever not be a thing, I've worked at a lot of places in things other than software and it never ends, regardless of working from home or office.

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In my experience at least talking to some younger people there is a clear dichotomy: despite all the talk about Gen Z being "digital natives", people new in their career are much hungrier to get back into the office because they don't yet have good career networks built up and they're eager for mentorship. It is older, or at least more established workers who are less keen on that. I don't think FAANGs will have any…

Yup, I am glad I worked in office during the first ~7 years of my career. I couldn't even imagine my life not doing that.

I've been working remotely since 2015. Do I want to go back now? Hell no.

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Why would you ask that? I didn't imply that. No guarantees with WFH either. Inserted edit: I notice you didn't comment on bullying. That's awkward over a zoom. At least one boss of someone I know has found out the hard way. Especially on playback. The mind set changes when you start self organising because you're alone in a room. It's a different dynamic. The gig economy has a lot of twists and turns. Less old guaran…

The inverse is also true- I've found it significantly harder to get to know my coworkers over Zoom at my current shop than I have in the past. Granted, this is my first "office job," but at the jobs I've worked in the past it's been super easy to meet other people and get to know each other. I get that some people want to put their head down and grind for 8 hours a day then move on with their lives, but I tend to pre…

I think the future for a lot of businesses will still be in-office. Having the team in one room has its own benefits. Plenty of others will be remote since that also has benefits. A lot more will be somewhere in-between. I think that will be more common. 100% remote won't suit a lot of businesses.

But 30% of the time? Or 20%? For plenty of people this won't seem weird. Spending two days per week working from home won't be strange.

I work remote now. While I still see a need for in-person catch-ups this doesn't include any need for the classic daily commute. That, for me and many others, at least, is now dead.

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From a single, young: I miss the office for.. - Free and convenient food. - Social chatter & engagement. - Making friends with employees who I don't know and connecting with new employees. - Work life separation (balance). - Proper workstation, climate controlled environment. - Sense of belonging - team outing, after hours beers.. - Intra and inter company sports and games. - Meeting potential dates. [Not me. Just em…

How does > Work life separation (balance). jibe with > - Social chatter & engagement. > - Sense of belonging - team outing, after hours beers.. > - Intra and inter company sports and games. > - Meeting potential dates. ? * "Single, young" "person" rips off its mask out of ravenous anger to reveal a 400 year-old lizardoid smacking its chops at the humans in it's vicinity.*

Work / Life separation doesn't mean "Work life" is devoid of social aspects, and while "Work life" is different from "Life life" it can share many of the same activities.
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