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Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Disappointed I didn't see fairly reasonable explanations around processor security bugs which impact broad system performance such as Spectre and Meltdown. This has a significant impact on Linux and Microsoft has even outlined that these fixes impact their performance (there have been many more security bugs identified since): https://www.microsoft.com/security/blog/2018/01/09/understan...

What I find most disappointing is that even processors manufactured TODAY contain these flaws and have performance hits put into the firmware. This issue is so fundamental to how CPU caches work, that there really is not a true performance-neutral fix.

> What I find most disappointing is that even processors manufactured TODAY contain these flaws and have performance hits put into the firmware.

The first (private) disclosure of the Spectre vulnerabilities was sometime in mid-late 2017. Partial hardware mitigations launched in 2019 for some Spectre variants, where the mitigations could be easily patched in to already taped-out designs.

Beyond those easy wins, even if foundries weren’t slammed by COVID delays, I don’t think it’s realistic to expect that we’d be any further along? Most of these sidechannels require deep rethinks of the execution pipeline and speculation engines, and fundamentally redesigning those systems, taping out those designs, and finally manufacturing those chips was always going to be a process that was measured in the better part of a decade.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is that a Windows problem and not a Discord or Steam issue?

Well, in large part it has to do with how Windows loads libraries. For example, if you have two Electron apps running (eg. Discord and Slack), both will load separate libraries, effectively doubling their load on your system (scaling for each app you open). The solution is to enforce dynamic linking, like how Linux handles it. You can have Spotify, Discord and Slack all running on the same Electron library.

This has nothing to do with Windows and everything to do with Discord and Slack deciding not to use dynamic linking.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Anyone finally willing to admit that w10 is unusable on Hard Drives while Linux and W7 work fine on them?

Absolutely true. I've converted more people to GNU/Linux over the last two years than in the twenty years before that. The vast majority of people in my (third world) country do not have SSDs, so GNU/Linux is their only hope of having an usable and moderately secure machine.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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post #222

I feel having a built-in graphics card that's poor also results in terrible performance, even if its just desktop use, things just become slow and laggy.

If each update gets slower on the same graphics card, it's probably not the fault of the graphics card

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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post #5

Anyone finally willing to admit that w10 is unusable on Hard Drives while Linux and W7 work fine on them?

> Anyone finally willing to admit that w10 is unusable on Hard Drives while Linux and W7 work fine on them?

Well if you ignore the one and a half second delay before typed text appears on screen, it's usable :]

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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post #146

Disappointed I didn't see fairly reasonable explanations around processor security bugs which impact broad system performance such as Spectre and Meltdown. This has a significant impact on Linux and Microsoft has even outlined that these fixes impact their performance (there have been many more security bugs identified since): https://www.microsoft.com/security/blog/2018/01/09/understan...

What I find most disappointing is that even processors manufactured TODAY contain these flaws and have performance hits put into the firmware. This issue is so fundamental to how CPU caches work, that there really is not a true performance-neutral fix.

I've seen a research paper that talks about something called "DAWG" that is supposed to preserve speculative execution while mitigating timing attacks. With some performance hit, but less than what we have today. The graphs in the paper seem to suggest a hit of 10% or less.

Not my area of expertise, so no idea how promising it is.

https://people.csail.mit.edu/vlk/dawg-micro18.pdf

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

My Linux box runs totally find on spinning drives. I'd like to upgrade but SSDs have gotten very expensive lately. A 2TB SSD is like $300 now.

I've had massive issues with Ubuntu on a HDD. Every time a big file was added to disk (like a download), the indexing system would run and render the whole system unusable for minutes (100% disk and CPU). Upgrading to an SSD solved the issue.

That's an Ubuntu problem and not an Linux problem thank goodness.
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