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Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by jaywalk »

jeroenhd wrote: post #96
brudgers wrote: post #68

Some remarks: I used Hyper-V as the hypervisor of choice That is not how most end user installations are configured (aka, not as a virtual machine). 32GB fixed disk for each build. That is much much less than the typical Windows 10 hardware. the fast boot feature has been disabled for the purposes of this measurement. That is not the default and not reflective of most installations.

> That is not how most end user installations are configured (aka, not as a virtual machine). Though not the default, Microsoft is moving more and more towards hypervisor-based security, for both kernel stuff and for browser stuff. Right now you need to enable it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Windows 11 relies on it. The leaked installer already relies on having a TPM, after all. Out of all virtual machine technolo…

> Though not the default, Microsoft is moving more and more towards hypervisor-based security

So what? That doesn't change the fact that running these tests in a VM isn't going to be the same as running them on bare metal.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by tpxl »

ggregoire wrote: post #53

My up-to-date Windows 10 on a 3 years old desktop takes 9 seconds to boot (I just benchmarked it). I don't remember it being way faster before. So I wonder how OP gets 34 seconds, and how he went from 13 to 34 seconds over a couple of updates. Mine definitely didn't get 21 seconds slower.

What hardware are you running? OP was running a virtual machine with "4GB of RAM, 4 cores and a 32GB fixed disk for each build".

I do wonder how if they only did one run per test or multiple, since n=1 will mean noise can mess with your results.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by [deleted] »

RandyRanderson wrote: post #31
ncann wrote: post #24

I can't remember the last time I used Windows search because it's worse than useless - there have been multiple occasions in the past where it can't even find a file in the current folder right in front of my eyes. Nowadays I just use Everything which I think is one of the best piece of software ever.

https://www.voidtools.com/

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Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by easton »

brundolf wrote: post #118
jokoon wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally. Back in 2020, after one update, windows 10 was taking about 5min to boot on a thinkpad, if not more. Had to install a SSD, changed everything. Pretty curious to hear what kernel developer or filesystem developers have to say about this, because it doesn't really make sense to me. I can understand why something would stop working, but not to just become slow. In what world does a system change result in worse…

I've heard that modern Windows does some aggressive disk-caching of driver states or something (?) when you shut down, so that it can quickly load them when you boot again and skip a large part of the booting process. Obviously the intention is to make boot faster, but maybe on an HDD it has the opposite effect?

It actually is the opposite of what you say, in that the Fast Boot feature of Windows 10 is basically logging you out then hibernating the system, which is faster on HDDs but slower on SSDs (or at best the same speed of a cold boot, but at the expense of system stability in the long term since NT really likes its reboots).

It's really odd, because the first couple releases of Windows 10 were fast enough on HDDs, but post 1703 is when I started to really notice it.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by sharms »

Disappointed I didn't see fairly reasonable explanations around processor security bugs which impact broad system performance such as Spectre and Meltdown.

This has a significant impact on Linux and Microsoft has even outlined that these fixes impact their performance (there have been many more security bugs identified since): https://www.microsoft.com/security/blog/2018/01/09/understan...

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by windowclenaer »

ncann wrote: post #24

I can't remember the last time I used Windows search because it's worse than useless - there have been multiple occasions in the past where it can't even find a file in the current folder right in front of my eyes. Nowadays I just use Everything which I think is one of the best piece of software ever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everything_(software)

https://www.voidtools.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=590

This is closed source software (Freeware) as far as I can tell. I realize you're already on MS Windows, but downloading a binary blob from some third party that's reading all files on your system seems a little too trusting.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by djrogers »

bionade24 wrote: post #113
1_player wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you explain why you expect modern software to run on old hardware first? Should I be surprised that my turn of the millennium PC can't even run Slack? Yes, in absolute terms it's a bit ridiculous, but we're not talking philosophy here, Moore's law is a thing and software has been getting more complex as hardware got faster. Deal with it. How is this news?

There are Slack clients out there, which use a hundreth of the official one and they can run on these old machines, too. The problem aren't more ressource itensive features not possible before, but delivering a services we have for decades with way worse ressource usage because you can.

> There are Slack clients out there, which use a hundreth of the official one and they can run on these old machines, too

Uhh, care to share? Asking for a friend....

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by smoldesu »

criddell wrote: post #73
smoldesu wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definitely. Booting up Win10 on an HDD can take up to 10 minutes if you have Discord/Steam installed.

Why is that a Windows problem and not a Discord or Steam issue?

Well, in large part it has to do with how Windows loads libraries. For example, if you have two Electron apps running (eg. Discord and Slack), both will load separate libraries, effectively doubling their load on your system (scaling for each app you open). The solution is to enforce dynamic linking, like how Linux handles it. You can have Spotify, Discord and Slack all running on the same Electron library.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by windows2020 »

sph wrote: post #71
boba7 wrote: post #5

Anyone finally willing to admit that w10 is unusable on Hard Drives while Linux and W7 work fine on them?

Why do people still expect modern software to run at incredible speeds on hard disk drives? Run old technology with old software. It is ridiculous that consumer hardware is still being sold with crappy 5400 RPM disks in 2021. No, I have no interest in optimising my software for speeds that are 1/10th of my broadband. Unless we're talking archival or huge storage necessities, stop complaining about modern OS or games…

Modern is mostly worse than .
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