Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update? • Hacker News Board

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by brundolf » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 8:14 PM UTC

ncann wrote: post #120

brundolf wrote: post #114

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An important thing that it took me a long time to realize is it doesn't search file names by default, only file contents. To search by name you have to use the 'name:' prefix. This is nonsense, but it's also easy to overcome once you know about it.

Wow really? I never knew that. Who thought it would be a good idea to have the Explorer search NOT do filename search by default?

It's probably how the first iteration worked before anybody knew what would and wouldn't be intuitive for this kind of utility, and they just haven't updated it since

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by Hammershaft » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 8:14 PM UTC

sph wrote: post #71

boba7 wrote: post #5

Anyone finally willing to admit that w10 is unusable on Hard Drives while Linux and W7 work fine on them?

Why do people still expect modern software to run at incredible speeds on hard disk drives? Run old technology with old software. It is ridiculous that consumer hardware is still being sold with crappy 5400 RPM disks in 2021. No, I have no interest in optimising my software for speeds that are 1/10th of my broadband. Unless we're talking archival or huge storage necessities, stop complaining about modern OS or games…

> Why do people still expect modern software to run at incredible speeds on hard disk drives?

Modern software usually doesn't run at incredible speeds on an nvme drive with top of the line hardware. Modern software is often just slow. What can I do on a modern operating system today that I couldn't do on a predecessor released 20 years ago? What justifies that Windows 10 feels slower to use then Windows XP while Windows 10 runs on hardware that is tens of thousands of times faster?

Under this lens, what really defines modern software is slowness. Take away the advantage of orders of magnitude of hardware improvements and you would be left with something unusably slow.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by zbrozek » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 8:21 PM UTC

1_player wrote: post #107

jokoon wrote: post #104

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I don't understand this argument, could you explain why modern software cannot run on old hardware? It sounds like it's justifying planned obsolescence.

Can you explain why you expect modern software to run on old hardware first? Should I be surprised that my turn of the millennium PC can't even run Slack? Yes, in absolute terms it's a bit ridiculous, but we're not talking philosophy here, Moore's law is a thing and software has been getting more complex as hardware got faster. Deal with it. How is this news?

In a lot of cases new software isn't delivering utility over old software, yet consumes more resources. Users justifiably feel miffed that they're expected to buy new hardware merely to keep up.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by siproprio » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 8:22 PM UTC

So... UWP is a tenbagger: It got 10x slower in 5 years.

I always like to remind folks that it takes longer to open calculator - or windows terminal - than to open excel.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by Wowfunhappy » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 8:26 PM UTC

PaulHoule wrote: post #19

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #14

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The point is, why does OP need to spend money on an SSD (and create e-waste in the process) when an HDD used to be reasonably fast for the same task?

I have an SSD for a boot drive on my personal and work computers. Both go out for lunch for long periods of time. It might be me. I know my reaction time is 35% faster than my teenage son. I am much more bothered by latency than other people, I'm starting to think that I experience more time than other people. I can't stand playing single-player games on a Samsung TV that isn't in game mode. The sloppy response drain…

> Most people seem indifferent to this sort of thing, but not me.

The average person who walks into a museum will be able to tell you which paintings they like, and which they do not. An art historian, however, will be able to tell you why they like certain paintings, and discuss specific details in the composition.

You are like the art historian. When you play a game on a laggy TV, you can tell that the TV's latency is making the game worse. A layperson just finds the game less engaging, and doesn't know that it could be better, much less why.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by at-fates-hands » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 8:27 PM UTC

1_player wrote: post #105

jandrese wrote: post #103

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My Linux box runs totally find on spinning drives. I'd like to upgrade but SSDs have gotten very expensive lately. A 2TB SSD is like $300 now.

My 486 ran totally fine on 1.44MB floppy disks as well, what is your point? As I mentioned down thread, you can get 1TB Samsung SSDs right now for $80. Not the best one, still faster than a hard disk. NVMe are a little more expensive than that, and even faster. The price is not really a valid excuse. Yes, my 2TB NVMe is $300, and does sequential read/writes of 3,000 MB/s, which is close to 100x faster than an HDD. It…

>> As I mentioned down thread, you can get 1TB Samsung SSDs right now for $80.

You ever think about the college kid who can't afford that price? What about the family of five living on food stamps who can't just pony up the money for better hardware? What about large swaths of the population who are on fixed incomes?

The way software companies are going and your general attitude is, "Eh, this is old technology, anybody should be able to afford it, what's the big deal?"

Totally tone deaf to the poor and people living on the edge and others living on a fixed income. My mother in law is pushing 80 and I had to build her a new PC since she couldn't afford to purchase a new desktop to do her taxes on since now our state requires you to file electronically and shockingly, her tax software no longer runs on her 8 year old desktop.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by at-fates-hands » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 8:30 PM UTC

smhenderson wrote: post #83

boba7 wrote: post #12

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I'm upgrading computers in my University with 8GB of ram and ssd and poof, 2011 computers run W10 just fine once again.

This was my experience as well updating computers at a company I recently joined. Changing to an SSD had the most impact, although a lot of these machines already had 8GB of RAM. There are still a handful around that now have an SSD but still 4GB of RAM they came with; these are also better now, usable anyway.

My company did the same thing a while back. I remember two years ago having to get in the office at least 20 minutes before my z book laptop would fully boot.

They upgraded all the developer grade laptops with 32GB of RAM and SSD's. Still take a good 5-8 mins to boot, but compared to where they were? Light years better!

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by EvanAnderson » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 8:31 PM UTC

ergot_vacation wrote: post #81

Over the past decade, software updates in general have mostly become another form of malware, as software makers care more about extracting money from their users or adding pointless shiny features than actually making their software fast, stable, or better able to serve the user. As a result, my default policy now is "If it ain't broke, NEVER fix it." Install, then disable all updates, forcibly if necessary. On Wind…

I used to find new technology to be exciting. Now, new technology (speaking about more than just software here-- appliances, cars, etc) causes me to instinctively respond with "What features, capabilities, ownership models, etc, are being taken away from me with this new thing?"

I assume it's a function of my getting older (44), to a large extent. It can't all be about me getting older, though. I can't be alone in thinking that a substantial portion of "advances" in existing technology have been for the benefit of manufacturers rather than owners. Surely "normal" people are starting to notice this too.

Edit:

I also think: "What capabilities that I already had are going to be sold as an add-on or, more likely, rented back to me on a recurring subscription?"

A close second is: "Will the thing be usable when the company goes bust and takes their 'cloud' infrastructure with them? Or how about when they decide not to update their thick-client mobile device app for new device OS's?"

A third is usually: "How will this new thing spy on me?"

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by DoctorOW » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 8:32 PM UTC

> “Each version was clean installed.”

This might have been hard to recreate but I feel like some of the association with updates making things slower is the updating process itself. I was always told when a new Windows version came out that the advice was to back up files manually and clean install every time. I’d love to see a comparison between the statistics you have for clean installs and those done through the Windows Installer “Upgrade” path.

Re: Did Windows 10 slow down with each feature update?

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Post by Leherenn » Mon, Jun 21, 2021, 8:35 PM UTC

jandrese wrote: post #103

sph wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do people still expect modern software to run at incredible speeds on hard disk drives? Run old technology with old software. It is ridiculous that consumer hardware is still being sold with crappy 5400 RPM disks in 2021. No, I have no interest in optimising my software for speeds that are 1/10th of my broadband. Unless we're talking archival or huge storage necessities, stop complaining about modern OS or games…

My Linux box runs totally find on spinning drives. I'd like to upgrade but SSDs have gotten very expensive lately. A 2TB SSD is like $300 now.

I've had massive issues with Ubuntu on a HDD. Every time a big file was added to disk (like a download), the indexing system would run and render the whole system unusable for minutes (100% disk and CPU). Upgrading to an SSD solved the issue.