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Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by philliphaydon »

dirtyid wrote: post #250
philliphaydon wrote: post #248

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Oh please. Local protests in china always result in police brutality and arrests. Just a few weeks ago there was video footage of students protesting the changes to their degrees sitting on steps and the police hitting them. Let’s not try and pretend people are not scared to go against the norm. The vast majority of PRC you talk to outside of china will tell you they absolutely love their country and hate the ccp. Do…

Yes and who do they appeal to? Central government, which comports with all studies showing high satisfaction with Beijing's performance. And risk of physical protest is qualifiable different than participating in a poll, PRC folks bitch about politics via relatively cost free methods everyday. >vast majority of PRC you talk to outside of china will tell you they absolutely love their country and hate the ccp. Maybe i…

Must feel nice living under a rock every day. It's really sad that people like you keep spewing propaganda while a country of people suffer.

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Post by markdown »

fakedang wrote: post #231
markdown wrote: post #105

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The examples you provided are bought once couple of years. There's no harm in buying them from China.

Except enriching them in the long run?

Why is that a problem?

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by [deleted] »

gogopuppygogo wrote: post #151
extraAccount wrote: post #144

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The EU has a lot of domestic problems it is trying to address. It is in no position to try to deal with China.

Britain and the USA 🇺🇸 needed Russia to break the last axis power. This war will be economic but will be far more global than previous wars.

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Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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ridiculous_lol wrote: post #215
mytailorisrich wrote: post #197

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There no equivalence at all between Hongkong and Vietnam... That's beyond ridiculous.

> There no equivalence at all between Hongkong and Vietnam And there's an equivalence between Tibet and HongKong?

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Post by dragonsh »

neverminder wrote: post #41
dcolkitt wrote: post #33

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The right to govern extends from the consent of the governed. It's not a question of who "should" own Hong Kong based on some centuries old history. It's a question of who the people of Hong Kong choose to govern them. Had an open referendum been held in 1997, it's almost certainly the case that the citizenry would not have voted to return to the tutelage of the dictatorship in Beijing.

This is something I don't understand as well. Why didn't Hong Kong choose to become an independent state when they had the chance? They could have thrived like Singapore does.

Hong Kong is still a more free society. So probably its not a good suggestion to make it worse than what it is already due to heavy handed approach to national security. Please check report in Hong Kong (52 points) [1] and Singapore (49 points) [2] on freedom.

In Hong Kong one can go for protest if its not breaking the National Security Law, in Singapore no one can protest unless approved by Police, recent case highlights it when a student send a tweet to protest when Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison visited Singapore [3].

Hong Kong is still very good when it comes to internet and freedom of expression. Also it follows common law jurisdictions and judges are able to give judgements against the government in many instances. Also Singapore has POFMA [4], which is worse than rules in Hong Kong.

In Hong Kong anyone can form a company and manage it without having a local permanent resident or citizen as Director. In Singapore one cannot form a limited liability company easily unless has a local permanent resident or citizen as Director (for others need a special conditions and permission).

[1] https://freedomhouse.org/country/hong-kong/freedom-world/202...

[2] https://freedomhouse.org/country/singapore/freedom-world/202...

[3] https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/spf-tweet-pro...

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_from_Online_Falseho...

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Post by RhodoGSA »

javajosh wrote: post #162
raxxorrax wrote: post #153

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The CCP aren't idiots. They knew the time was right to do it, because in western circles, that were a bit slow to understand the world around them, freedom was not in good graces with political leaders. It was the perfect time to tighten the grip. The G7 was disappointing. It was all talk in my opinion, although there aren't many venues to handle a situation like Hong Kong.

Do you mean that Western leaders started to turn their backs on freedom, too? You are absolutely right, I fear. So much of the talk about China in the West doesn't even mention human rights, just trade imbalance or cyber security. In an age of nuclear detente, I suppose it was inevitable that democracy's most potent opponents would be homegrown. I never considered that this also means abandoning imperiled democracy a…

'Freedom's' problem has always been that it's a very loose term. Freedom to do what? I can't even go into a grocery store after the federal government said i don't have to wear my mask if i'm fully vaccinated, without my mask. Virtue signalling by other Americans has become more powerful than the centralized federal governments ability to restrict my rights. I believe the US is scarier because it's more akin to mob rule. China is going to collapse when they get a very weak leader but the US is going to tear itself apart.

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Post by aatharuv »

astrange wrote: post #170
aatharuv wrote: post #89

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India has been used in the English language for over 1,000 years, and in Latin and before that Greek for at least 1,500 years before that, along with Indian and its equivalents in other languages. This was of course well before anyone used the word "Indian" to refer to Native Americans.

Even before America was discovered, "the Indies"/Indians/indios was used to refer to Ethiopia as well as India. They didn't have very clear ideas of where things were but that also suggests it was just meant to refer to any tropical area. Or you can use backformation and say it's short for Indigenous.

The name India literally derives from the Sindhu river (aka the Indus river), which became Hindu in Persian (S->H is a common sound correspondence between Sanskrit and Persian), and dropped the initial H when getting into Greek. It was also used to refer to some areas beyond India -- (i.e, modern Indonesia or the "East Indies", but the origin of it was from civilizational India.).

I've never heard of India being used to refer to Ethiopia. Ethiopia itself is a phrase of Greek origin, and dates back at least to Herodotus.

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by hnfong »

bennysomething wrote: post #218
_tik_ wrote: post #169

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I am not really familiar with Northern Ireland and how it relates to Hong Kong. Most of youngster in HK are quite pessimistic on their economic future. Working hours are long. Houses are very expensive, small and crowded. The strange things is most of the population don't speak English but in corporate the language are English. This make a lot of locals was overlooked in Job Promotion.

The N Ireland thing is about British repression, which was mentioned. Some people like to claim the British occupy northern Ireland (they don't, the majority want British rule). If a free press, fair elections, rule of law are what repressing dissent looks like, then I'm not sure how the CCP stack up!

I haven't read as much about Northern Ireland as I would have wished to, but the parallels are quite similar, especially the legal "innovations" used to quell dissent.

For example, the recent National Security Law allows non-jury trials, which seems to me taken directly from the Northern Ireland playbook: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplock_court

There are a some interesting NI court case(s?) which I've encountered in the past couple years relating to riots that were occasionally cited in the Hong Kong court which escapes me right now.

Anyway the point is that while freedoms are indeed being eroded in Hong Kong, it's a fallacy to paint the British colonial rule as benevolent just to make a point. (Most of the freedoms were granted to Hong Kong in the 1990s _after_ UK signed the Sino British joint declaration, it worked as a narrative to kind of force the Chinese government to revert a bunch of freedoms and hence the UK escaped most of the blame for making much of those those repressive laws in the first place)

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