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Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by gogopuppygogo »

extraAccount wrote: post #144
riffraff wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU foreign policy needs unanimity, and some of the governments (mostly Hungary right now) will not allow it to take positions against abusive dictatorships. So it'll be many years before the EU becomes a foreign policy power.

The EU has a lot of domestic problems it is trying to address. It is in no position to try to deal with China.

Britain and the USA 🇺🇸 needed Russia to break the last axis power. This war will be economic but will be far more global than previous wars.

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by ivalm »

dankboys wrote: post #131
makeitdouble wrote: post #11

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In the current climate if the US doesn't move nobody will (or it will just be a "look at me" gesture) Why do I think so? Because the US accumulated that unprecedented power you refer to, and Japan or GB or Canada trying anything from themselves just means they'll be pissing in the wind until the US decides to do it as well. The EU seems to me the only exception to that, but then I am not sure its majority sees a big…

China are probably judging the chances of a US response based on the response when Assad breached POTUS’ red line: nothing.

I hate Xi but what exactly do you want the US to do other than a strongly worded proclamation?

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by raxxorrax »

phyalow wrote: post #3

This is another nail in the coffin of the Hong Kong we knew and loved… I was a resident for many years, I witnessed the peaceful protests of 2014, I witnessed horrifying wanton violence in 2019, I witnessed the rapid destruction of the freest laissez faire city state in the world. Above all I feel great sadness for the people of Hong Kong. The CCP cannot tolerate any dissenting voices as a matter of preserving their…

The CCP aren't idiots. They knew the time was right to do it, because in western circles, that were a bit slow to understand the world around them, freedom was not in good graces with political leaders. It was the perfect time to tighten the grip.

The G7 was disappointing. It was all talk in my opinion, although there aren't many venues to handle a situation like Hong Kong.

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by [deleted] »

phyalow wrote: post #3

This is another nail in the coffin of the Hong Kong we knew and loved… I was a resident for many years, I witnessed the peaceful protests of 2014, I witnessed horrifying wanton violence in 2019, I witnessed the rapid destruction of the freest laissez faire city state in the world. Above all I feel great sadness for the people of Hong Kong. The CCP cannot tolerate any dissenting voices as a matter of preserving their…

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Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by kenneth »

whydoibother wrote: post #31
dcolkitt wrote: post #26

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China specifically agreed under the terms of the transfer to allow for Hong Kong's continued independence in domestic matters until 2047. Beijing is in flagrant violations of its international treaty obligations. The New Territories were under a 99 year lease, but Britain was under no obligation to transfer Hong Kong Island and Kowloon back at any time for any reason. They graciously agreed to return them for China,…

> They graciously agreed to return them for China Sorry, but you can't 'graciously' return a colony. It was something they never should have had.

Hong Kong was built from nothing by the British. Before the British arrived and settled HK, it was but an empty jungle mountains sticking of an estuary on the Ocean. By comparison, the powerhouse of southern China, Guangzhou, was plenty populated. They ceded some empty land to the brits to build a trading port some distance away.

Why would the Communist Party of China have more of a claim to this land than the brits? When HK was ceded and built, the CCP didn't even exist and wouldn't for a few more hundred years. A different power (the Qing empire) controlled the land from afar. They are from a different ethnic group (Manchurian), from modern day northern China / Russia, and have very little to do with the Cantonese people who inhabit southern China.

(I live here)

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Post by kenneth »

_tik_ wrote: post #121
alau1218 wrote: post #67

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CCP didn't allow Hong Kong people to choose. They didn't even allow Hong Kong people to participate in the hand over negotiation. Remember CCP is a group of savage dictators and does not embrace the Western values, such as respect, equality, that are familiar to us.

The British did not allowed them to choose either. The members of legislative created by the British is based on appointment not elections. The British only decided the reform the legislative after the handover sealed.

The CCP prevented the British from enacting democratic reforms and any self-determination in Hong Kong, under the thread of military invasion. This isn't on Britain, they tried decades prior.

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Post by piokoch »

typeformer wrote: post #4

This is tragic, the US, Japan, Canada, GB, AUS, the EU need to band together to counter China’s egregious rights abuses instead of solely pursuing their own business and national interests. They could all offer residency programs for the bright students and others that are currently suffocating there. China can’t punish all these countries together. If no one stands up Taiwan will be next to fall and then China would…

Maybe 10-15 years ago it would be possible, right now all the countries you've listed are strongly depended on Chinese manufacturing. Average person in any of those countries will easily swallow restricting freedom in HK, Urguys or Christians persecution, but will be mad without next generation gadgets that are all produced in China.

It would require a really big effort to drop dependency on China, I don't think politicians and societies are ready for this.

One more thing: when it comes to relations with China there is no such a thing like EU. Every country has its own agenda and interests, every country wants to win as much as possible for themselves, right now Germany is cutting a trade deal with China and there is no less important subject for them than some HK rights.

And you are right, Taiwan is next on the list. I've read some analysis that in 6 years China will develop its army to that extent, that US will not be able to defend Taiwan.

Taiwan is buying from the US expensive planes, tanks, which would not matter that much in the future war, where a relatively cheap loitering munition or a drone can destroy very expensive tank or plane. This was good for US military industry, but from the Taiwan defense perspective that's not a smart move.

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Post by [deleted] »

kenneth wrote: post #155
whydoibother wrote: post #31

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> They graciously agreed to return them for China Sorry, but you can't 'graciously' return a colony. It was something they never should have had.

Hong Kong was built from nothing by the British. Before the British arrived and settled HK, it was but an empty jungle mountains sticking of an estuary on the Ocean. By comparison, the powerhouse of southern China, Guangzhou, was plenty populated. They ceded some empty land to the brits to build a trading port some distance away. Why would the Communist Party of China have more of a claim to this land than the brits?…

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Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by nextaccountic »

vorpalhex wrote: post #95
techrat wrote: post #94

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Find me a smartphone that is made in the US with no Chinese parts, then. Or anything that goes into a laptop. Or desktop. Those are the primary components/products that China needs to destructively mine and process raw materials for. Until we recycle electronics as a standard instead of a "we care about being Green(tm)" gesture... manufacturing is always going to go where it's cheapest.

https://puri.sm/products/librem-5-usa/ https://www.falcon-nw.com/falcon/craftsmanship I believe Digital Storm is also using primarily US components but can't find it on their site. Intel has several US foundries, and some ARM foundries are in the US as well.

> https://puri.sm/products/librem-5-usa/

They actually have China-made chassis as per they "origin declaration" table.

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Post by dirtyid »

philliphaydon wrote: post #23
dragonsh wrote: post #18

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> the US, Japan, Canada, GB, AUS, the EU need to band together to counter China’s egregious rights abuses Countries living in glass houses cannot throw stones on others. Moreover each country has it's own flaws, so before asking others to correct each one of them needs to correct themselves (like those countries ruling establishment in China enjoy majority support and minority like in any system democratic or communi…

> ruling establishment in China enjoy majority support We don’t know the support because anyone who dares to speak up is silenced. People are too scared to say they don’t like the government. The claim is that the CCP has 95% approval rating. But the local governments have a 10% approval rating. The local governments are The Central government. Nothing the local governments do is done without The Central governments…

>We don’t know the support

There are decades of polling, analysis of polling methodology by western NGOs and institutions to support these findings.

The “Surprise” of Authoritarian Resilience in China https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2018/02/surprise-authorit...

> Nothing the local governments do is done without The Central governments oversight and approval.

"The Mountains Are High and the Emperor Is Far Away". CCP is not omniscient.

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