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HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by _xy8h »

baby wrote: post #86
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hong Kong’s fate was sealed in 1984 when the UK agreed to return it to China. And that was when China was far weaker than now, and could have been confronted at far less cost. Instead, the West got played, transferring massive capital and know-how to China while convincing themselves that economic integration would inevitably lead to greater political freedom.

This is true. Sometimes I wonder if the UK thought HK would become a trojan horse. A symbol of good living standards and democracy. That was ignoring thousands of years of wars for unification that built China. It is built on blood and blood will continue to be shed until the whole of China is united. This is what reading books and watching movies will tell you.

All you have to do is look at who was in power in 1984.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_1984_British_incumbent...

(TLDR: Conservatives.)

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by alisonatwork »

stanislavb wrote: post #87
pooper wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All you can do when a ship sinks is find a life raft. And yet somehow the "left" and the "right" unite in opposition any time I say something even remotely alluding to a way out for any Palestinian who wants to get out of the middle east. Left and Right are in quotes because they are pretty much the same people.

And you can't link HK being a Commonwealth colony up until recently... somehow? I don't want to say that Palestinian people shouldn't be helped. What I want to say is that it's more or less obvious why the UK is more eager to help HK.

I think the British bear some responsibility for the current situation in Israel/Palestine as well, given the region was a British mandate between the wars. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by stanislavb »

techrat wrote: post #90
stanislavb wrote: post #88

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We should all stop buying products made in China as much as possible. At least, until the current communist gov is in charge.

So, we buy nothing? Even the domestic products basically say "Assembled in the USA " ( from parts made in China) But the sad reality is that the raw materials needed for a lot of the things we take for granted in everyday life... require an astounding amount of environmental destruction, something China is still more than happy to do. I'm not saying we need to loosen environmental laws in the States, we need to inste…

Just try. You will be surprised how often (not always) there's an alternative. Then, even if you pay a bit more, in most cases you'll be getting better quality too.

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by techrat »

stanislavb wrote: post #93
techrat wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, we buy nothing? Even the domestic products basically say "Assembled in the USA " ( from parts made in China) But the sad reality is that the raw materials needed for a lot of the things we take for granted in everyday life... require an astounding amount of environmental destruction, something China is still more than happy to do. I'm not saying we need to loosen environmental laws in the States, we need to inste…

Just try. You will be surprised how often (not always) there's an alternative. Then, even if you pay a bit more, in most cases you'll be getting better quality too.

Find me a smartphone that is made in the US with no Chinese parts, then.

Or anything that goes into a laptop.

Or desktop.

Those are the primary components/products that China needs to destructively mine and process raw materials for. Until we recycle electronics as a standard instead of a "we care about being Green(tm)" gesture... manufacturing is always going to go where it's cheapest.

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by vorpalhex »

techrat wrote: post #94
stanislavb wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just try. You will be surprised how often (not always) there's an alternative. Then, even if you pay a bit more, in most cases you'll be getting better quality too.

Find me a smartphone that is made in the US with no Chinese parts, then. Or anything that goes into a laptop. Or desktop. Those are the primary components/products that China needs to destructively mine and process raw materials for. Until we recycle electronics as a standard instead of a "we care about being Green(tm)" gesture... manufacturing is always going to go where it's cheapest.

https://puri.sm/products/librem-5-usa/

https://www.falcon-nw.com/falcon/craftsmanship

I believe Digital Storm is also using primarily US components but can't find it on their site.

Intel has several US foundries, and some ARM foundries are in the US as well.

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by throwaway384028 »

Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #20

Hong Kong is dead, and the CCP killed it. Daily reminder that the Chinese Government should never ever be trusted. China agreed not to touch Hong Kong's system politically or economically until at least 2047. They couldn't manage even half of that, and there are now many Hong Kongers sitting in jail for the "crime" of supporting democracy in Hong Kong (not even China!), which was made illegal by the CCP under "nation…

I dont really buy this. HK is apart of China, why should GB be able to dictate Chinese law based on a colony they took from China hundreds of years ago?

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by blendergeek »

throwaway384028 wrote: post #96
Wolfenstein98k wrote: post #20

Hong Kong is dead, and the CCP killed it. Daily reminder that the Chinese Government should never ever be trusted. China agreed not to touch Hong Kong's system politically or economically until at least 2047. They couldn't manage even half of that, and there are now many Hong Kongers sitting in jail for the "crime" of supporting democracy in Hong Kong (not even China!), which was made illegal by the CCP under "nation…

I dont really buy this. HK is apart of China, why should GB be able to dictate Chinese law based on a colony they took from China hundreds of years ago?

> HK is [a part] of China

Politically? Physically? Culturally? Morally? Currently Hong Kong is ruled by China. Many in Hong Kong might prefer something different. If the government in Beijing allowed them to, they might choose complete independence.

> why should GB be able to dictate Chinese law based on a colony they took from China hundreds of years ago?

Why should a government in Beijing be allowed to dictate policy for people in Hong Kong based on the fact that Hong Kong was under control of a different government in mainland China hundreds of years ago before the British (unlawfully) took it from them?

Should the people of Hong Kong have a say in this? The people in Hong Kong have been asking for the right of self-determination. Is there some reason that the people of Hong Kong should not get this right?

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by xwolfi »

jollybean wrote: post #42
xwolfi wrote: post #39

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While I agree, as a current resident, I also witnessed the insane destructive behavior of Apple Daily, who did exagerate quite a bit the situation and was far from a neutral observer. I'd even say that telling kids the police murdered 2000 people was not exactly helping them strategize rather than throw themselves in desperate waves at the police... These guys all pushed the situation towards a point of no return for…

We don't cry tears because of the kind of journalism, we cry tears because it was on some level journalism or at minimum freedom of expression and the clampdown means the same it will happen to you if you try that route. Anyone who contradicts Putin and gets any stickiness or popularity ends up dead. You don't have to agree with Putin's antagonists to realize why that is bad.

I contradict Xi proudly. I wouldnt tell children the police killed 2000 of them in secret, under the cover or repeating taiwanese news, to excite some sort of defensive behavior in them.

If the police killed 2000 kids like this newspaper sometimes proclaimed, then all the violence the protesters used felt justified. That's why im on the fence in this case, and that s also why China is hysterical at that paper that did more propaganda than them.

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Post by xwolfi »

seattle_spring wrote: post #81
hungryhobo wrote: post #69

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tell that to twitter or facebook

Was Apple Daily regularly sharing outright falsified stories?

Yes, I dunno what you call regular, but they repeated taiwanese rumours that were vastly exagerated. In 2019 saying the police didnt kill 2000 people in secret would warrant you a slap in the street, because of these newspapers that were a bit... activist ?

Kids that were arrested were hollered by these Apple Daily journalists to display their ID card to the camera in case they disappeared, creating a climate were they felt like oppressed freedom fighters rather than overly violent political activists.

Honestly me and my wife, at the beginning of Jimmy Lai s arrest were relieved because we felt it could stop the insanity a bit. Ofc China will go too far as usual but that's the feeling some of us have. Dunno how common it is, as it's hard to discuss calmly in HK.

Either people feel their little pride shattered by all this anti China discourse, or they feel invaded and tortured by the fact we're a Chinese city. Hard to discuss a middle ground where we ignore each other like we've done for 2 decades.

Re: HK's Apple Daily raided by 500 officers over national security law

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Post by tablespoon »

xvector wrote: post #74

And China's industry has the world by the balls, so there's not much that can be done from an external perspective to prevent this. That said, I'm not sure many nations would do anything even if China didn't have leverage over them.

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