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Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by Growling_owl »

tomtheelder wrote: post #105
breadzeppelin__ wrote: post #89

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meanwhile the many experts who don't recommend it are widely and very vocally shunned as 'science deniers'. Andddd downvoted. Cant even point out that there are actual experts on both sides of the argument without people being upset about it.

There will be experts, that is people with relevant credentials, on both sides of every issue, but that doesn't mean they always ought to be listened to. They are being heavily criticized here because the science _overwhelmingly_ supports vaccination.

> science _overwhelmingly_ supports vaccination

Not to be pedantic about it, but science always, and in any event supports non vaccination for self and everybody else vaccinating instead.

This is true for every disease. If possible it's always smart not to inject yourself with stuff.

They just can't say it because then everybody would try and be the last person to get the shot, because the last one gets to skip the shot!

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Post by timr »

eckesicle wrote: post #138
Kognito wrote: post #86

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Thanks for the article, an interesting read for sure. It’s nice to see there’s been plenty of follow-up study on this. Respectfully, you’re wrong to say “thoroughly disproven”. Even the article ends with the suggestion that it’s a side-effect of covid, albeit a rare one. The article’s position is more that it was overblown to worry about stopping young athletes from competing for fear of myo being a common side-effec…

My wife died from myocarditis 2 months ago. The only thing she tested positive for was COVID. The coroner's report however, was quite clear that COVID did not cause her death or the myocarditis and that there has been no such reported case anywhere in the world. If anyone has information to dispute that I would be very interested to see it. Thanks

Myocarditis is unfortunately very common. There are many causes, including a panoply of viruses for which tests may not exist. That is probably why the coroner's report said what it did.

I'm sorry for your loss.

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Post by devb »

gulli1010 wrote: post #133
gulli1010 wrote: post #130

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COVID is still an unfolding disaster. I doubt that anybody really understands completely what it does.

I have also been experiencing irregular heart beat and palpitations. Quite possible that I had COVID at some point.

Have you been exercising less since lockdowns started?

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Post by pfg »

b0tzzzzzzman wrote: post #109
Swenrekcah wrote: post #49

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For those getting worried like I was, it’s 0.002% or one in 50,000, not 0.02% or one in 5,000.

Yes, let's all look at statistics and not recognize these are real people who are developing heart damage from 'safe' vaccines.

A 0.002% risk of experiencing myocarditis due to the vaccine seems a better deal than catching COVID, which brings a ~0.3% risk of experiencing (symptomatic) myocarditis in a (to my non-expert understanding) similar demographic[1]. Many experts assume COVID will become endemic, so this is not a theoretical risk.

[1]: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/...

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

redis_mlc wrote: post #27

Women ofte report heart problems as nausea, differently than men, who report it as pain. So this side effect may be under-reported or misdiagnosed in women, so not male-only.

Hmm. A "hidden" or "silent" heart attack often shows up as fatigue. This could be far more prevalent than data indicates.

Note that I'm not saying that it is more prevalent. So far as I know, there is no data to support my suspicion. And, personally, I suspect that if some of that is heart trouble, it's the minority of cases of Covid (and Covid vaccine) fatigue. But I note that the possibility exists that this could be prevalent.

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Post by Kognito »

nicoburns wrote: post #113
mrfusion wrote: post #70

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COVID induced myocarditis has been thoroughly disproven: https://www.statnews.com/2021/05/14/setting-the-record-strai...

Based on my personal experience, I'm pretty skeptical of this. I'm 28, healthy (or was previously), and have never previously had any issues with my heart. Got covid last April which came with quite sharp heart pain which seemed to match up very well to descriptions of myocarditis on and off for about 6 months. And I'm only just now getting to the point now where a raised heart beat isn't painful. You might say it's…

If you’re in a position to do so, I’d strongly recommend you get checked out if you’re having any kind of chest pain as your heart rate rises.

I lost count of how many times I was told “you’re too young to have any heart issues” before eventually being diagnosed with myo. FWIW I’m younger than you and though mild, my symptoms seem to have taken 9 months to mostly resolve.

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Post by dependsontheq »

bonzini wrote: post #71
yk wrote: post #38

Slightly off topic, but it is quite interesting that US media very consistently uses "Pfizer" if the news is good and some variant of "Pfizer/Biontec" if the news is bad. The opposite holds of course for the German press, which addresses the vaccine as "Biontec" when the news is good.

Somebody even made a copypasta about it in Italian. My translation is the following: "I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Pfizer vaccine, is in fact, the BioNTech-Pfizer vaccine, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, BioNTech plus Pfizer vaccine. Pfizer did not develop the vaccine by itself, but rather another company called BioNTech created the original formula, which went through…

Watching the various vaccines fail in production or in clinical trials gives an interesting perspective on what an amazing and lucky combination BioNTech/Pfizer are. So I think we should be grateful for both companies, amazing scientists and amazing engineers.

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Post by arriu »

Has anyone looked at whether the mental stress or anxiety induced by putting someone through the process of getting the shot could be maybe be a reason for triggering this? Not the vaccine itself, but the whole routine of line up, answer questions about allergies and other risk factors, then waiting to get the shot, then having to sit there waiting for symptoms to show up... Not to mention people don't like needles either.

I can imagine the heart rate during this ordeal is way higher than normal and could trigger inflammation.

Not saying that the science here is invalid, just actually curious to know how this gets ruled out.

Re: Heart inflammation cases in young men higher than expected after mRNA vaccines

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Post by blurbleblurble »

peanut_worm wrote: post #78

Did anyone else get really bad side effects? I felt awful after my first shot and now I an currently recovering from my second shot and feel even worse. I don’t think I have ever felt this bad from an illness.

I had headaches for like two weeks after my second Pfizer shot. I drank plenty of water and was getting electrolytes, so I'm guessing it was a side effect.
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