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Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by forty » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 10:12 PM UTC

whydoibother wrote: post #190

echelon wrote: post #163

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Apple fans are doing evil. They just don't realize it. They're too awestruck by the brand to understand the harm it does. Talk to your legislators. That is the way to fix this tribulation.

Wanting a sane and stable and reliable device is doing evil? Oh please. If the changes happened that people (who apparently don't use iOS) wanted, iOS would turn into the godawful shitshow that is Android. No thanks. If you don't like Apple, boycott them. Easy.

That people don't like the UX of Android, I totally understand (I did not like iOS' last time I tried, so it makes sense to me that someone that likes it doesn't like Android's).

But I don't understand why you would suggest Android is unstable and reliable. I have been using miscellaneous Android devices for some time now, and I don't remember having any stability or reliability issues with the OS.

As for the "boycott", I agree as a user, it's easy. But as a an app developer it's certainly much tougher given their large market share.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by dwaite » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 10:14 PM UTC

manigandham wrote: post #254

rib3ye wrote: post #234

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The argument is that it's industry standard. Microsoft and Sony also take 30% https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2021/05/07/playst...

There are alternate ways to get software on those platforms. There isn’t on Apple mobile devices.

Citation needed? (For Playstation, XBox)

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by mkishi » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 10:15 PM UTC

amelius wrote: post #181

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #107

The antitrust case against Apple is so overdue it's embarrassing. What I don't get is people who defend it. Imagine Microsoft taking 30% of every purchase you make online because you used their OS to get there. Then would the defenders admit it's an obvious abuse of a monopoly? What makes it different for Apple?

Probably the argument is that they (1) host the software in the cloud which costs them money, and (2) they review software for e.g. security issues which costs them money. Anyway, the EU is coming for them: https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/euro... > The Digital Markets Act (DMA) establishes a set of narrowly defined objective criteria for qualifying a large online platform as a so-called “gatek…

It does cost them money, but I can't wrap my mind on why that's not subsidized by the rest of the Apple machine.

Didn't customers pay a premium for Apple hardware because of the unified ecosystem and superior security to begin with? And developers also pay a premium to be on the App Store ($99+30%) because it costs them money to create the infrastructure and ensure safety?

I'm pretty ignorant on the whole situation, but it does sound nice to be Apple. Raking in hundreds of billions while charging premiums on both sides, convincing them it's for their own good. Meanwhile, customers and developers descend into a feedback loop of even heavier dependence on Apple: the more customers there are, the more devs have a financial necessity to publish apps on the platform, the more value the platform has, the more customers they get.

People are quick to point out Apple is the one providing for developers, who should be honored to be able to get on the App Store for a 30% cut. But, really, how many users would Apple have without those apps? They do deserve their cut, but at some point it went from a symbiotic relationship to "oil the Apple machine." The economies of scale simply work in their favor here.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by skc » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 10:19 PM UTC

It's a shame that these companies can't even vote with their feet because Apple users are too lucrative as a market.

Hell of a position to find yourself in as a business.

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Post by marsdepinski » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 10:20 PM UTC

amelius wrote: post #181

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #107

The antitrust case against Apple is so overdue it's embarrassing. What I don't get is people who defend it. Imagine Microsoft taking 30% of every purchase you make online because you used their OS to get there. Then would the defenders admit it's an obvious abuse of a monopoly? What makes it different for Apple?

Probably the argument is that they (1) host the software in the cloud which costs them money, and (2) they review software for e.g. security issues which costs them money. Anyway, the EU is coming for them: https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/euro... > The Digital Markets Act (DMA) establishes a set of narrowly defined objective criteria for qualifying a large online platform as a so-called “gatek…

Missing the point they the only way to install apps on an IPhone is the app store. If you had choice to freely download apps from the internet, this would not be a monopoly abuse issue. Then sure charge on the app store whatever you want, allow competing so stores that also offer reviewed software.

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Post by sida » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 10:20 PM UTC

smnrchrds wrote: post #161

typest wrote: post #102

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This is because Netflix, knowing Apple would take 30%, does not allow you to sign up via an iPhone app. Apple takes 30% if you sign up via iPhone, not if you sign up via web and then use the iPhone app.

Netflix was able to do this because Apple carved out an exception for them by gerrymandering the rules so Netflix could do this. They did that because Netflix was powerful enough. Hey tried to do a similar thing, but Apple was having none of it. They were going to force them to pay them 30%, because they were not powerful enough. When the social media storm made them more powerful, Apple acquiesced.

audible - the audio book app also does not allow purchases in-app.

Fanhouse can just let purchases happen on web

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Post by bmitc » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 10:20 PM UTC

KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #198

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #107

The antitrust case against Apple is so overdue it's embarrassing. What I don't get is people who defend it. Imagine Microsoft taking 30% of every purchase you make online because you used their OS to get there. Then would the defenders admit it's an obvious abuse of a monopoly? What makes it different for Apple?

Cause Apple only has like 40% marketshare.

Is it really about market share or market power, and subsequent abuse of that power?

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 10:21 PM UTC

manigandham wrote: post #254

rib3ye wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The argument is that it's industry standard. Microsoft and Sony also take 30% https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2021/05/07/playst...

There are alternate ways to get software on those platforms. There isn’t on Apple mobile devices.

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Post by stalfosknight » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 10:22 PM UTC

Dah00n wrote: post #240

ksec wrote: post #214

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Define Monopoly? Apple have ~65% Market Share in US and over 70% in Japan.

>A monopoly exists when a specific person or enterprise is the only supplier of a particular commodity. -Wikipedia It gets defined to death every time we have this discussion. Apple has a de-facto monopoly on the app store no matter if their phones have 1% or 100% of the market share of phones. This isn't about market share but if they abuse their position/control on the app store . Is Apple the "only supplier of a p…

That’s like saying my landlord has a monopoly on collecting rent from every apartment in the building they own. Well duh! They built the damn thing from scratch. To make it about how Apple is somehow being abusive by setting the rules of the road and collecting tolls on their own property is asinine.

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Post by smoldesu » Wed, Jun 09, 2021, 10:24 PM UTC

Jcowell wrote: post #149

slver wrote: post #88

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How can you honestly tell a person who just shared their opinion "you don't exist"? I also would never enter my credit card in an app, UNLESS it's a huge, well-trusted brand (which this influencer app isn't). Many people wouldn't bother. The whole point of Apple handling this is that you trust Apple to have more clue than your average startup full of monkeys.

This is a big thing for me. I really do not want to give any vendor raw Payment information if I can help. Would much rather do so though a service like Apple Pay/Google Pay. And then only have to worry about that one vendor when they get a data breach then a dozen vendors and deal with a dozen data breaches.

There are plenty of services that offer payment fuzzing options, putting your faith in one of the largest digital targets does effectively nothing to save your digital privacy.