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Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by amelius »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #107

The antitrust case against Apple is so overdue it's embarrassing. What I don't get is people who defend it. Imagine Microsoft taking 30% of every purchase you make online because you used their OS to get there. Then would the defenders admit it's an obvious abuse of a monopoly? What makes it different for Apple?

Probably the argument is that they (1) host the software in the cloud which costs them money, and (2) they review software for e.g. security issues which costs them money.

Anyway, the EU is coming for them:

https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/euro...

> The Digital Markets Act (DMA) establishes a set of narrowly defined objective criteria for qualifying a large online platform as a so-called “gatekeeper”.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by [deleted] »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #107

The antitrust case against Apple is so overdue it's embarrassing. What I don't get is people who defend it. Imagine Microsoft taking 30% of every purchase you make online because you used their OS to get there. Then would the defenders admit it's an obvious abuse of a monopoly? What makes it different for Apple?

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Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by qeternity »

TX0098812 wrote: post #123
insert_coin wrote: post #104

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If you engage with those actors accepting the terms that is exactly what it means.

...no. You can't meaningfully accept terms when they are a requirement to enter the market.

This is absurd. In any other situation you’d never argue this.

Ok, so I can just ignore all regulations because I don’t like them? I can sell unsafe food in my restaurant because I don’t want to agree to the terms the government says I must adhere to?

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by can16358p »

jeroenhd wrote: post #55
alexyz12 wrote: post #38

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It's hard to do photo/video/media integration on a web page. There no good way to interact with the filesystem to share content, start a livestream, etc. UIKit also make it pretty easy to create layouts that work well on your phone with swiping gestures. I am an app developer that would love to move to a mobile web app but those are the problems that I am running into at least. If web assembly can accomplish all of t…

I don't know about iOS, but the file picker on Android is fine. Live streaming through Javascript is also no harder than live streaming through native libraries. Granted, there may be less "official" SDKs out there because the web is an open ecosystem, but still. Jitsi and Kickstarter have quite competent streaming systems. I remember being amazed by the incredibly low latency the Kickstarter streaming system has (al…

Even if technically all SDKs had an equivalent, a PWA never, ever feels like a real native app. All the difference is noticable. It's all the slight details, gesture and touch handling, and few more, but they all sum of and it feels laggy.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by qeternity »

ardit33 wrote: post #77
qeternity wrote: post #65

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This. She is operating a platform for creators…that is literally what the AppStore is. She knew the rules when she started playing this game, and wants to appeal to emotions and hyperbole like this is an issue between “life and death”. Why does she get to keep 10%? It’s arbitrary. What if I want to start an app that helps creators manage their Fanhouse content? Should I ask Fanhouse for a cut of their fees so that I…

you can make the same argument for netflix, amazon, or anything that involves any type of transaction, even your uber... If she is using the app store payments, then fine. But if she is not using it, then that is a problem.

Yes, which is precisely what she should do.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by Daishiman »

prepend wrote: post #177
heavyset_go wrote: post #130

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Apple certainly has a duopoly with Google in both the mobile operating systems market, and the mobile app distribution market. iOS has 60% of the market in the US[1], and Android has 40%, and Google and the App Store is responsible for 100% more revenue than the Play Store[2]. Also, layman definitions of monopoly do not matter when it comes to antitrust laws[3]: > Courts do not require a literal monopoly before apply…

Your stats show web traffic, not sales or market share. For a monopoly you want to show market dominance by dollars, not activity. By sales units, Android dominates [0] with 327k vs iOS’ 38k (most recent quarter was 2019-q3). [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_Wide_Smartphone_S...

You're being pedantic. It's the second of only two alternatives; it counts as monopoly power here and everywhere.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by whydoibother »

echelon wrote: post #163
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #134

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>Apple got this by building an awesome product, but they also played an incredibly evil game that puts Microsoft to shame. It really is funny how we went from a major anti trust case against Microsoft for simply bundling a web browser with their OS [1]. The original decision in that case was actually to break up Microsoft, though was lost on appeal. And here we have Apple doing many magnitudes worse. Even in this ori…

Apple fans are doing evil. They just don't realize it. They're too awestruck by the brand to understand the harm it does. Talk to your legislators. That is the way to fix this tribulation.

Wanting a sane and stable and reliable device is doing evil? Oh please. If the changes happened that people (who apparently don't use iOS) wanted, iOS would turn into the godawful shitshow that is Android. No thanks.

If you don't like Apple, boycott them. Easy.

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