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Re: There are no results for tank man

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@dang, I think we need an explanation for why Tank Man-related content on Hacker News has been disappearing all day. I usually trust HN to be a bastion of free speech, and if there isn't some kind of proportionate response here, I don't believe myself or many others here will be able to see it that way going forward. EDIT: Thank you for your response, dang. Hacker News is a special place, which is why we have respond…

This post is on the front page right now (edit: and now also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27396783 ) - that's the opposite of "disappearing". I'd have to see links to the other ones. Here's one tip for you guys, from years-long, world-weary experience: if you're coming up with sensational explanations in breathless excitement, it's almost certainly untrue. Edit: ok, here's what happened. Users flagged https:/…

Flagging amounts to anonymous moderation, which is why you see a lot of conspiratorial responses to it. Users have no way to know who is removing a post from acceptable discussion via flagging.

One possible way to address this is to make visible a list of users who flagged a post. The arguments against this are obvious. But without such information, in the end you have to accept one result of anonymous moderation is the generation of conspiracy theories.

It's a tradeoff, of course.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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The kinds of mechanisms getting rid of Tank Man are being used just to hide this content here. It's fractal. It requires no complicity by the owners or maintainers of Bing or Hacker News, it just means that there are handles by which you can hide things.

Outsourcing moderation at scale inevitably results in the ability of one or more parties to vanish content they do not like.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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In case you're wondering why this is news, there are numerous obvious, worldwide, relevant results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/25-years-later-tank-man-st... (Note: Microsoft owns this page!) https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/remembering-the-t...

Even if one of the most famous photographs ever taken wasn't called "tank man", it'd still be pretty weird for there to zero results. Try misspelling "man" or "tank", you'll get many results. "tanke man" says "including results for 'tank man'".

My favorite being : "Tank Man Meme" and you get more or less the expected search.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Tank+Man+Meme

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole sentiment here is gross, but it is particularly fucked up how you keep going out of your way to pull Chinese-American people into it. Why not call me a Papist while you're at it?

If you post a story on HN with a list of historical atrocities attributable to the Roman Catholic Church or to Spanish colonialism, you can definitely expect a significant fraction of Latin American and Spanish people to take exception to it, and I've seen that happen on HN several times in the past. Recognizing and understanding that there are hot-button issues for particular political, national, and ethnic groups i…

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Re: There are no results for tank man

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To be fair a search of tank man on bing does have results including pictures. For some reason the same imagines that appear on the main search results page don't show up on the image results tab.

I'm in the US searching for it and getting nothing for the image results. Why are the images specifically blocked? I don't think there's anything fair about this. I don't like the idea of a US company censoring information from me in this way. Because now I'm really curious as to what else is being censored/flagged out.

If they were actually going to censor results wouldn't they censor the web results as well? What makes you think this isn't a technical issue.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legitimate criticism of the CCP results in rather intense flagging. I'm no angel and I've definitely made comments that deserved flagging on HN and I really try hard to play by the rules that dang sets, but it's a rather clear pattern that certain subjects solicit pretty intense flagging despite not really being "nationalistic flame bait". In case dang sees this I hope I'm not violating further rules of service I'm j…

When you see that happening, vouch for the post or the article.

In addition to the potential for being vouched for - it's also important to remember that brigading on HN has a very limited effect on account karma overall. If you end up being on the sharp end of the stick at least you can take some comfort in only ever losing six points of karma... well unless your comment was atrocious enough to get you a ban from the mods.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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https://twitter.com/MikaelThalen/status/1400906032176640004 A Microsoft spokesperson tells me that "accidental human error" is to blame for missing images of "tank man" on its Bing search results. "We are actively working to resolve this." The incident comes on the 32nd anniversary of the Tiananmen Square Massacre.

There's no way it was accidental. It could have been a rogue employee that pushed something globally that was supposed to be limited to China...but the idea that it was an accident on the anniversary sounds like a made up story.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Yandex, the english language version of the Russian search engine, does not censor anything. It's by far the best search engine for politically controversial topics. You can even search for Putin stuff and get good results. https://yandex.com/images/search?from=tabbar&text=tank%20man

The Russian site also appears wide open. Example:

https://yandex.ru/video/search?text=navalny%20putin%27s%20pa...

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