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Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

samspenc wrote: post #101
Brendinooo wrote: post #73

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>Note: Microsoft owns this page! Microsoft does not have a stake in MSNBC anymore.

Wow I didn't realize this, but it appears to be true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSNBC "Microsoft divested itself of its stakes in the MSNBC channel in 2005 and in msnbc.com in July 2012." I thought their Edge browser was still promoting links to MSNBC, but looking at Edge now, I see the links are to MSN.com which is a completely different thing and actually a Microsoft news portal. Interesting the news channel is…

When you've spent millions and years promoting a brand ID, you don't change it just because ownership changed. (Another example: If I understand correctly, General Electric doesn't have anything to do with GE-branded light bulbs. They sold the business. But the buyer wanted more than the factory and the distribution arrangements, they wanted the name that people recognized.)

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by ggggtez »

jerry1979 wrote: post #69

Interestingly, they didn't just block the query string, it appears that they purged their image results based on some generalization of tank man. I noticed that "tiennamin square man" doesn't return any pictures of the scene. However, the purge didn't hit the "suggested image" thumbnails.

Yeah, there are two things going on here:

1) Some queries are blocked. This results in "Nothing found", even when there obviously are images...

2) Some images are blocked. If you use a query that bypasses the word-filter, some images are still removed from the result list anyway.

It's very clear that what we're seeing is the Chinese results for Bing, but everywhere in the world...

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by gus_massa »

tw04 wrote: post #148
dang wrote: post #114

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I can tell you personally with high confidence that neither the Communist Party of China nor any other Communist Party has influence on how we operate Hacker News. I can't say anything about any other site or company or media or government, because I'm not involved with any of that. But unless the communists are zapping me with behavior-control rays or Angela Lansbury had me brainwashed decades ago, zero such influen…

I’ll start with: no I don’t think you or “HN” are in on some conspiracy. My question is: does HN actively attempt to counteract government actors from influencing the site? I think it’s been proven that China among other countries employs folks to try to influence social media sites. Not necessarily by influencing staff, but by creating user accounts who do things like downvote unfavorable comments or flag stories th…

From some old comments, I remember that there is a "voting ring" detector. (The details are obscure, because it's part of the secret sauce or something.)

I guess there is also a "flagging brigade" detector. [If not, I upgrade this comment to a feature request.]

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by no-s »

dang wrote: post #114
nbardy wrote: post #90

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We were told the same thing about the lab leak theory from: Social media companies, Mainstream media, and the government. The reason for distrust is valid. We live in an age of rapidly increasing censorship and the CCPs growing reach of control in American discourse. Skepticism is becoming the default for very real reasons.

I can tell you personally with high confidence that neither the Communist Party of China nor any other Communist Party has influence on how we operate Hacker News. I can't say anything about any other site or company or media or government, because I'm not involved with any of that. But unless the communists are zapping me with behavior-control rays or Angela Lansbury had me brainwashed decades ago, zero such influen…

“Angela Lansbury had me brainwashed decades ago”

Why would you mention that? It’s very suspicious!

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

JPKab wrote: post #41
falcolas wrote: post #20

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Given the outsized effect of flags in comparison to upvotes, I’m of the opinion that Chinese national HN members, and some subset of “no politics evar” crowd is more than enough to flag these to just shy of being dead.

Legitimate criticism of the CCP results in rather intense flagging. I'm no angel and I've definitely made comments that deserved flagging on HN and I really try hard to play by the rules that dang sets, but it's a rather clear pattern that certain subjects solicit pretty intense flagging despite not really being "nationalistic flame bait". In case dang sees this I hope I'm not violating further rules of service I'm j…

When you see that happening, vouch for the post or the article.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by idbehold »

crazygringo wrote: post #106
dang wrote: post #72

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This post is on the front page right now (edit: and now also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27396783 ) - that's the opposite of "disappearing". I'd have to see links to the other ones. Here's one tip for you guys, from years-long, world-weary experience: if you're coming up with sensational explanations in breathless excitement, it's almost certainly untrue. Edit: ok, here's what happened. Users flagged https:/…

I don't doubt posts are flagged by users as opposed to moderation. But at the same time, it also seems like flagging can be too easily abused, and can lead to accusations of censorship and distrust. (Though I've certainly seen it work well in cases, especially for false/defamatory articles.) But it really does seem like we're at the point where longstanding users need to also be able to vouch for flagged stories, or…

Another approach is to penalize users (e.g. stop trusting their flags) who flagged a post which then got unflagged by a mod.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by belter »

tw04 wrote: post #148
dang wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can tell you personally with high confidence that neither the Communist Party of China nor any other Communist Party has influence on how we operate Hacker News. I can't say anything about any other site or company or media or government, because I'm not involved with any of that. But unless the communists are zapping me with behavior-control rays or Angela Lansbury had me brainwashed decades ago, zero such influen…

I’ll start with: no I don’t think you or “HN” are in on some conspiracy. My question is: does HN actively attempt to counteract government actors from influencing the site? I think it’s been proven that China among other countries employs folks to try to influence social media sites. Not necessarily by influencing staff, but by creating user accounts who do things like downvote unfavorable comments or flag stories th…

Not only government actors. It looks like Microsoft has a whole team working this site: https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/microsoft-corp-msft-q1-201...

Quote from Satya Nadella Q1 2019 Earnings Conference Call "...In fact, this morning, I was reading a news article in Hacker News, which is a community where we have been working hard to make sure that Azure is growing in popularity and I was pleasantly surprised to see that we have made a lot of progress in some sense that at least basically said that we are neck to neck with Amazon when it comes to even lead developers as represented in that community..."

Mentioned here before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27293480

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by a1369209993 »

Pet_Ant wrote: post #52
falcolas wrote: post #20

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Given the outsized effect of flags in comparison to upvotes, I’m of the opinion that Chinese national HN members, and some subset of “no politics evar” crowd is more than enough to flag these to just shy of being dead.

I'm a member of “no politics evar” crowd, but I feel like both deliberate digital censorship AND artificial tweaks to search results are valid topics. I hope this was the result of a rogue actor rather than a corporate decision.

> I'm a member of "no politics evar" crowd, but I feel like both deliberate digital censorship AND artificial tweaks to search results are valid topics.

Ditto.

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