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Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by digbybk »

sounds wrote: post #5

In case you're wondering why this is news, there are numerous obvious, worldwide, relevant results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/25-years-later-tank-man-st... (Note: Microsoft owns this page!) https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/remembering-the-t...

Even if one of the most famous photographs ever taken wasn't called "tank man", it'd still be pretty weird for there to zero results. Try misspelling "man" or "tank", you'll get many results. "tanke man" says "including results for 'tank man'".

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by skywal_l »

dang wrote: post #107
GuB-42 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just speculation: maybe a dupe of a dead topic.

No, we'd only mark a story a [dupe] if it got significant attention in a different thread. I haven't heard back yet, but the most likely explanation is that a moderator (correctly) thought that one Tank Man story on the HN front page was enough. Edit: oh - I think that one was actually marked a [dupe] by software. I'd need to double check this, but if so, it's because it interpreted the link to the other thread as a…

So if someone wants to bury a story, now they know how to do it.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by Hnrobert42 »

dang wrote: post #105
falcolas wrote: post #20

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Given the outsized effect of flags in comparison to upvotes, I’m of the opinion that Chinese national HN members, and some subset of “no politics evar” crowd is more than enough to flag these to just shy of being dead.

Please keep nationalistic attacks off this forum. You have no idea the sort of pressure that users with minority perspectives because of their national/ethnic backgrounds are under on this majority-Western forum. People have literally been hounded off this site after getting attacked for this. Is that the kind of community you, or any of us, want to be part of? Of course it is not. Therefore, don't include swipes lik…

With all due respect, I disagree. This conversation is specifically about a nation exerting censorship across the web. It is not unreasonable to think those censorship efforts would extend to other sites.

Moreover, I did not mark the primary thrust of the comment as a nationalistic attack. I took it as an observation that a motivated minority (or a nation-state actor) could game the system to mute a conversation by way of flags.

To be clear, I hope Chinese users feel welcome here. I also get it that this is a hot topic where speculation could easily spin out of control. I appreciate the tightrope you have to walk. I just respectfully disagree with your call on this one.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by superjan »

kragen wrote: post #123
dang wrote: post #114

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I can tell you personally with high confidence that neither the Communist Party of China nor any other Communist Party has influence on how we operate Hacker News. I can't say anything about any other site or company or media or government, because I'm not involved with any of that. But unless the communists are zapping me with behavior-control rays or Angela Lansbury had me brainwashed decades ago, zero such influen…

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I think you are misreading him. He says that there is no pressure or indirect influence from china on how HN is run. This is a popular internet forum, of course there’s people trying to push their narrative.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by dukeofdoom »

nbardy wrote: post #90
dang wrote: post #72

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This post is on the front page right now (edit: and now also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27396783 ) - that's the opposite of "disappearing". I'd have to see links to the other ones. Here's one tip for you guys, from years-long, world-weary experience: if you're coming up with sensational explanations in breathless excitement, it's almost certainly untrue. Edit: ok, here's what happened. Users flagged https:/…

We were told the same thing about the lab leak theory from: Social media companies, Mainstream media, and the government. The reason for distrust is valid. We live in an age of rapidly increasing censorship and the CCPs growing reach of control in American discourse. Skepticism is becoming the default for very real reasons.

“They’re Not After Me, They’re After You. I’m Just In the Way.” Social Media Exile

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by ggggtez »

jasode wrote: post #46

I'm guessing it is a "hand tuned" search result tweak because just appending "china" returns a few images: https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=tank%20man%20china (For those who don't see results, this is my screen grab of the above at 18:12 UTC : https://imgur.com/a/3tzPV49 ) Also, "Tiananmen Square massacre" still returns some image results: https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Tiananmen+Square+massac... Therefore,…

Yes, I'm sure this is done via word-filter.

Historically, China doesn't provide a list of banned terms themselves, and companies have to reverse-engineer the list of prohibited terms. Likely Bing has a list of the most obvious terms, as recommended by their lawyers.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by tptacek »

kragen wrote: post #123
dang wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can tell you personally with high confidence that neither the Communist Party of China nor any other Communist Party has influence on how we operate Hacker News. I can't say anything about any other site or company or media or government, because I'm not involved with any of that. But unless the communists are zapping me with behavior-control rays or Angela Lansbury had me brainwashed decades ago, zero such influen…

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This is gross.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by toomuchtodo »

itcrowd wrote: post #142
blibble wrote: post #133

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only for comments, not stories

Also for submissions (Maybe the karma threshold is different, but i do see it)

Karma threshold isn’t the only criteria. I’m at ~47k karma and do not have access to vouch functionality. I might be in a sort of permanent semi penalty box (which I take no issue with, not my sandbox), so take with a grain of salt.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by gus_massa »

zamadatix wrote: post #116
crazygringo wrote: post #106

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I don't doubt posts are flagged by users as opposed to moderation. But at the same time, it also seems like flagging can be too easily abused, and can lead to accusations of censorship and distrust. (Though I've certainly seen it work well in cases, especially for false/defamatory articles.) But it really does seem like we're at the point where longstanding users need to also be able to vouch for flagged stories, or…

"But it really does seem like we're at the point where longstanding users need to also be able to vouch for flagged stories, or something like that." Isn't this already a thing with the "vouch" button on said posts? https://i.imgur.com/Hp9nu58.png

The vouch button only appears for dead stories. I sometimes would like a wtfitf button.
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